Roast Grumpy Old Thread II - the grumpiness continues

[Samsquanch]

KK is lovely, those 4 islands that you take a small boats from jesselton Point wharf are lovely, also sandacan and up in the forrests to see the probiscas monkeys

Agreed. We've stayed at KK a few times (at the Sutera Harbour) and you really can't do much better. I've enjoyed KL when I've been there (except the very first time) but KK is a lot more laid back, yet it has everything you'd want as a visitor / tourist. We did go out to a couple of the islands - lots of fish and great swimming! We didn't go to Sandakan but we did visit some of the other memorials and sites that were established to remember the Death March - hugely emotional even though I have no direct connections that I'm aware of (gardens at Kundasang are spectacular).



Canopy walk on the mountain (Poring Springs)...


Proboscis monkey...


In Kuching we've stayed at the Pullman (they do good deals - hopefully still). I've never seen so many super cars on the street as in Kuching!

 

[Samsquanch]

Anyone been to Vietnam? We're looking for somewhere in Sth East Asia other than Bali?

Only once in the 1990s. Hojuman might be able to help.

I would recommend it but when we were there we mostly stayed in small private homestays (almost all cost us $10 per night). My brother was there for work - he stayed on a ship converted to a floating hotel. There are plenty of resorts now of course.

Saigon was interesting and had some good museums. The Mekong Delta was worth a couple of nights but the north was by far the best part in my opinion. Hanoi has the old city - really nice. Lots of war museums - some pretty confronting stuff though. We went to Sapa which I'm sure is well and truly on the tourist trail but I'd recommend it anyway.

Hue and Hoi An are places you have to see and stay several days. We were not taken by Nha Trang but it's become a resort city since we were there so a lot of people like it.

One thing I recall was that the food was cheap and tasty but I had to buy two meals at most places to get by. The servings were small almost everywhere.

 

[Samsquanch]

This all needs to be on the following thread to avoid making people grumpy...

Autopsy - One night in Bangkok (Travel tales - true and/or exagerated - to far flung places)

After a bit of chat with koshari in the Gasometer is grumpy thread, to avoid further ire, I've decided to create a thread for North Melbourne supporters to re-tell their travel tales of the trips they've made in and around Southeast Asia. It may be worth expanding to incorporate other places...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Samsquanch]

A suggestion for Gasometer - Samoa.

Not as resortish as Fiji, not as expensive or Frenchy as Vanuatu, just as laid-back as the Cook Islands and lots to see and do. The city, Apia is friendly, small and the shops don't open on Sundays (or Saturday afternoons) but the people are really accommodating and helpful. Aggie Grey's (Sheraton) is the place to stay in Apia. There's also the resort near the airport which is pretty nice.

It's a while since I was there but there should be plenty of info online to help you decide.

A drive around Samoa or a visit by ferry to the big island of Savai'i (you can also fly) are great excursions. Stay overnight on a beach in a local Fale (hut) and play "cricket" with the locals - you are usually allowed to join into a game of Kilikiti.

Kilikiti - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[koshari]

Anyone been to Vietnam? We're looking for somewhere in Sth East Asia other than Bali?

4 or 5 times, its great , my tip if you go to how long bay pay for the extra night because most of the people rush back to the port and on the changover day they load you to a smaller boat and you get to discover to further out less crowded spots.

 

[koshari]

Only once in the 1990s. Hojuman might be able to help.

I would recommend it but when we were there we mostly stayed in small private homestays (almost all cost us $10 per night). My brother was there for work - he stayed on a ship converted to a floating hotel. There are plenty of resorts now of course.

Saigon was interesting and had some good museums. The Mekong Delta was worth a couple of nights but the north was by far the best part in my opinion. Hanoi has the old city - really nice. Lots of war museums - some pretty confronting stuff though. We went to Sapa which I'm sure is well and truly on the tourist trail but I'd recommend it anyway.

Hue and Hoi An are places you have to see and stay several days. We were not taken by Nha Trang but it's become a resort city since we were there so a lot of people like it.

One thing I recall was that the food was cheap and tasty but I had to buy two meals at most places to get by. The servings were small almost everywhere.

Nha Trang has changed immensely from the first time i went there in 06. Back then the beachfront was sparcely populated with beach huts and you had vast tracts of the beach to yourself. You could sit on the beach eating local seafood cooked and served to you fresh right there on your sunbed while watching the vietnam air force flying mig training sorties. When i went back a few years later the entire beachfront was highrise.

 

[Gasometer]

Do you buy Floor stock or insist on boxed stock?

I was offered Floor stock yesterday but insisted on the boxed item. No price reduction on floor stock. I thought it odd when every Jason had been in doing whatever.

Same goes with Ex Demo Cars? Thoughts on these?

 

[Kanga Glory]

Nha Trang has changed immensely from the first time i went there in 06. Back then the beachfront was sparcely populated with beach huts and you had vast tracts of the beach to yourself. You could sit on the beach eating local seafood cooked and served to you fresh right there on your sunbed while watching the vietnam air force flying mig training sorties. When i went back a few years later the entire beachfront was highrise.

Was there 07 and it was beautiful

 

[krakouers]

Do you buy Floor stock or insist on boxed stock?

I was offered Floor stock yesterday but insisted on the boxed item. No price reduction on floor stock. I thought it odd when every Jason had been in doing whatever.

Same goes with Ex Demo Cars? Thoughts on these?

We bought a couple of things from Floor, got it reduced, no problemo

 

[Samsquanch]

Was there 07 and it was beautiful

The place is unrecognisable since Mama Hahn was put away. I think she's passed away now. See the travel thread link above.

The Green Hat tours with all you can eat, all you can drink and as much fuked-up as you can smoke were an institution.

Mama Hahn's Green Hat Tours

As was the extortion scam run in conjunction with the local cops(not mentioned in the article).

 

[krakouers]

Bum Bags, Red Shoes, Mullet, Chains... all things that would have gotten you picked on as a kid when I was younger...

Am going to have to rel;y on the younger people like Ligma for the exact definitions of an Eshay...

Are ‘eshays’ a case for the cops or just the fashion police?

A nightclub’s ban on red sneakers has once again turned a spotlight onto whether eshay culture is criminally dangerous — or just a crime against fashion. Here’s everything to know about the moronic subculture.

thewest.com.au

Spoiler: Full Article

Tim Clarke
The West Australian
Wed, 11 January 2023


It’s the shoe which has defined a sub-culture. And it’s the colour which has made a Perth bar owner see red.

From February 1, lava red Nike TN’s — along with derivatives made by ASICS and New Balance — will see you turned away from the entrance of Hillarys nightspot Bar1.

The ban has made headlines across Australia and beyond. The man behind it — licensee Malcolm Pages — says he has done it because the shoes usually come attached to trouble, in the shape of ‘eshays’

They are those mulleted young men often spotted at the train station or shopping centre, puffing a vape, wearing a cap, bum bag, the aforementioned $380 shoes — and come with a whiff of criminality.

Mr Pages is not the first bar owner in the country to ban the shoes because of the type of people believed to be wearing them. Two Sydney bars also barred types of Nikes linked to the eshay culture.


But it is a first for Perth, and once again turned a spotlight onto whether eshay culture is criminally dangerous — or just a crime against fashion.

The subculture and aesthetic are widely held to have hailed from lower-income areas of Sydney and Melbourne. The expensive, logoed clothes are thought to speak to an income likely unexplained.

The music — typified by “Gutter rappers” like Kerser, ONEFOUR and eshay poster boy Spanian — describes crime, jail time, and drug use. The language, an adopted version of pig Latin, supposedly comes from a need to disguise criminal intentions.

And the perception has at times crossed over to reality, with widespread stories of eshay threats, intimidations and violence.

In 2020, Matthew Henson proudly showed off his eshay credentials on social media, sporting the cap, the jewellery and the TNs. In February of that year, he was the victim of a life-changing assault by five teenagers at Perth train station, which left him in a coma.

As the boys left him unconscious on the platform, they took his shoes and laughed.

After admitting to the horrific assault, four boys were convicted and imprisoned. But despite the eshay undertones, they all hailed from the upscale Churchlands Senior High School.

Terry Goldsworthy, associate professor in Criminology at Bond University, said from its original low socio-economic roots the eshay label is now being attributed to many from the middle-class who choose to wear the clothes and sport the mullet.

“There would also be a limited number of true eshays, the ones that get around and speak in pig Latin and actually go out to commit the offences and have that gang sub-cultures,” he said.

“You would have other kids and young adults that are just getting out and thinking they look trendy.”

The amalgamation of eshay into mainstream culture took a quantum leap late last year, when the character of Douglas “Ca$h” Piggott — played by Will McDonald — disseminated the image worldwide in the remake of “Heartbreak High”.

The bumbag was there, the chain was there, the pig Latin was there.

“We’re showing them what a real Australian school in south or western Sydney looks like. Not just beautiful blonde-haired people frolicking at the beach,” McDonald said.

But there was also the portrayal of a vulnerable youngster, struggling with his sexuality and a burgeoning gay relationship — completely subverting the established eshay narrative.

“A lot of the time a character like Ca$H is someone you take the mickey out of in a TikTok, or there’s a news report with a bunch of people clutching their pearls about gangs,” McDonald said.

Which is what Dr Laura Glitsos, lecturer in new media and social influence at Edith Cowan University, believes some of this week’s headlines about red shoes have been about.

“Every decade there is usually a moral panic about a particular group of youth — usually from a lower socio-economic space — teens and young men in their 20s posing this threat to the ‘moral order’,” she said.

“And then something needs to be done.

“The irony is that by banning the red shoe you are giving it even more edge, and cultural weight.”

According to the Equal Opportunity Commission, it could also give weight to a potential claim of discrimination — if it’s just men wearing red shoes who are banned from the Hillarys bar.

“The real test will be if it is applied uniformly across the sexes,” EOC senior legal officer Allan Macdonald said.

“Then you can see it whether it is applied rigorously, or whether it is applied selectively. If it is applied selectively then you are risking a claim of discrimination.”

 

[Jasemon]

Mods that are too lazy to update thread titles.

 

[Ligma]

Bum Bags, Red Shoes, Mullet, Chains... all things that would have gotten you picked on as a kid when I was younger...

Am going to have to rel;y on the younger people like Ligma for the exact definitions of an Eshay...

Are ‘eshays’ a case for the cops or just the fashion police?

A nightclub’s ban on red sneakers has once again turned a spotlight onto whether eshay culture is criminally dangerous — or just a crime against fashion. Here’s everything to know about the moronic subculture.

thewest.com.au

Spoiler: Full Article

Tim Clarke
The West Australian
Wed, 11 January 2023


It’s the shoe which has defined a sub-culture. And it’s the colour which has made a Perth bar owner see red.

From February 1, lava red Nike TN’s — along with derivatives made by ASICS and New Balance — will see you turned away from the entrance of Hillarys nightspot Bar1.

The ban has made headlines across Australia and beyond. The man behind it — licensee Malcolm Pages — says he has done it because the shoes usually come attached to trouble, in the shape of ‘eshays’

They are those mulleted young men often spotted at the train station or shopping centre, puffing a vape, wearing a cap, bum bag, the aforementioned $380 shoes — and come with a whiff of criminality.

Mr Pages is not the first bar owner in the country to ban the shoes because of the type of people believed to be wearing them. Two Sydney bars also barred types of Nikes linked to the eshay culture.


But it is a first for Perth, and once again turned a spotlight onto whether eshay culture is criminally dangerous — or just a crime against fashion.

The subculture and aesthetic are widely held to have hailed from lower-income areas of Sydney and Melbourne. The expensive, logoed clothes are thought to speak to an income likely unexplained.

The music — typified by “Gutter rappers” like Kerser, ONEFOUR and eshay poster boy Spanian — describes crime, jail time, and drug use. The language, an adopted version of pig Latin, supposedly comes from a need to disguise criminal intentions.

And the perception has at times crossed over to reality, with widespread stories of eshay threats, intimidations and violence.

In 2020, Matthew Henson proudly showed off his eshay credentials on social media, sporting the cap, the jewellery and the TNs. In February of that year, he was the victim of a life-changing assault by five teenagers at Perth train station, which left him in a coma.

As the boys left him unconscious on the platform, they took his shoes and laughed.

After admitting to the horrific assault, four boys were convicted and imprisoned. But despite the eshay undertones, they all hailed from the upscale Churchlands Senior High School.

Terry Goldsworthy, associate professor in Criminology at Bond University, said from its original low socio-economic roots the eshay label is now being attributed to many from the middle-class who choose to wear the clothes and sport the mullet.

“There would also be a limited number of true eshays, the ones that get around and speak in pig Latin and actually go out to commit the offences and have that gang sub-cultures,” he said.

“You would have other kids and young adults that are just getting out and thinking they look trendy.”

The amalgamation of eshay into mainstream culture took a quantum leap late last year, when the character of Douglas “Ca$h” Piggott — played by Will McDonald — disseminated the image worldwide in the remake of “Heartbreak High”.

The bumbag was there, the chain was there, the pig Latin was there.

“We’re showing them what a real Australian school in south or western Sydney looks like. Not just beautiful blonde-haired people frolicking at the beach,” McDonald said.

But there was also the portrayal of a vulnerable youngster, struggling with his sexuality and a burgeoning gay relationship — completely subverting the established eshay narrative.

“A lot of the time a character like Ca$H is someone you take the mickey out of in a TikTok, or there’s a news report with a bunch of people clutching their pearls about gangs,” McDonald said.

Which is what Dr Laura Glitsos, lecturer in new media and social influence at Edith Cowan University, believes some of this week’s headlines about red shoes have been about.

“Every decade there is usually a moral panic about a particular group of youth — usually from a lower socio-economic space — teens and young men in their 20s posing this threat to the ‘moral order’,” she said.

“And then something needs to be done.

“The irony is that by banning the red shoe you are giving it even more edge, and cultural weight.”

According to the Equal Opportunity Commission, it could also give weight to a potential claim of discrimination — if it’s just men wearing red shoes who are banned from the Hillarys bar.

“The real test will be if it is applied uniformly across the sexes,” EOC senior legal officer Allan Macdonald said.

“Then you can see it whether it is applied rigorously, or whether it is applied selectively. If it is applied selectively then you are risking a claim of discrimination.”

Eshays are funny, I watch them pinch all the time.

 

[Samsquanch]

Eshays are funny, I watch them pinch all the time.

I wonder who would win out of eshays, bovvers, punks, rockers, skinheads or sharpies?

SpiderBurton22 to set the odds.

 

[Hojuman]

Only once in the 1990s. Hojuman might be able to help.

I would recommend it but when we were there we mostly stayed in small private homestays (almost all cost us $10 per night). My brother was there for work - he stayed on a ship converted to a floating hotel. There are plenty of resorts now of course.

Saigon was interesting and had some good museums. The Mekong Delta was worth a couple of nights but the north was by far the best part in my opinion. Hanoi has the old city - really nice. Lots of war museums - some pretty confronting stuff though. We went to Sapa which I'm sure is well and truly on the tourist trail but I'd recommend it anyway.

Hue and Hoi An are places you have to see and stay several days. We were not taken by Nha Trang but it's become a resort city since we were there so a lot of people like it.

One thing I recall was that the food was cheap and tasty but I had to buy two meals at most places to get by. The servings were small almost everywhere.

Haven't done Vietnam yet.

 

[koshari]

a sydney counciller has forwarded a motion banning leather and fur from council properties including sporting pitches,

what have we come as a society?

Sydney council investigates banning leather and fur items

The motion to ban leather and fur items in the council has sparked public outrage. So what items would be included?

au.news.yahoo.com

 

[rickety]

Do you buy Floor stock or insist on boxed stock?

I was offered Floor stock yesterday but insisted on the boxed item. No price reduction on floor stock. I thought it odd when every Jason had been in doing whatever.

Same goes with Ex Demo Cars? Thoughts on these?

Bought my bed from floor stock in Myer. I told the sales assistant that I wanted “that” bed. He told me I couldn’t buy that bed as it was floor stock, but he could order me one and I’d get that. Forgot that it was a Thursday night and I wanted it for the weekend. This fella tells me that I’d get the new one in the next week. Ended up with the manager seeing us mid debate, I bought the bed, got a 30% discount and it was delivered to me the next day.

 

[Gasometer]

Bought my bed from floor stock in Myer. I told the sales assistant that I wanted “that” bed. He told me I couldn’t buy that bed as it was floor stock, but he could order me one and I’d get that. Forgot that it was a Thursday night and I wanted it for the weekend. This fella tells me that I’d get the new one in the next week. Ended up with the manager seeing us mid debate, I bought the bed, got a 30% discount and it was delivered to me the next day.

Yeh but how many Fatso’s and their kids have laid and jumped over it?

 

[koshari]

we bought a fridge from floor stock recently as they couldnt supply that model for some time form a HN store.
they were not real happy about it and we also insisted it be discounted, they reluctantly agreed in the end.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

I wonder who would win out of eshays, bovvers, punks, rockers, skinheads or sharpies?

SpiderBurton22 to set the odds.

Anyone who wears a bum bag automatically goes to the back of the market.

Bovvers, Skinheads and Sharpies all under $5. Eshays $69.

 

[Samsquanch]

a sydney counciller has forwarded a motion banning leather and fur from council properties including sporting pitches,

what have we come as a society?

Sydney council investigates banning leather and fur items

The motion to ban leather and fur items in the council has sparked public outrage. So what items would be included?

au.news.yahoo.com

That will truly **** up Zondor

 

[Samsquanch]

Yeh but how many Fatso’s and their kids have laid and jumped over it?

He needed it for some weekend action.

 

[Samsquanch]

Anyone who wears a bum bag automatically goes to the back of the market.

Bovvers, Skinheads and Sharpies all under $5. Eshays $69.

 

[Gasometer]

Unimpressed with the Foreign Press overlooking Better Call Saul

 

[rickety]

Yeh but how many Fatso’s and their kids have laid and jumped over it?

A quick spray of the old Glen 20 and then the battle is on between my germs and whatever aliens came with the bed. Turns out my germs won the ensuing battle as I'm not dead.