Society/Culture Hypocrisy of The Left - part 3

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Bradesmaen said:
Or when deeply conservative people call anyone who disagrees with them a lefty...
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A better more apt example would be SJW, wannabee socialist, cultural marxist, etc. Saying leftie is more of a somewhat 'lazy' colloquialism than anything else.
 

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Kangaroos4eva said:
A better more apt example would be SJW, wannabee socialist, cultural marxist, etc. Saying leftie is more of a somewhat 'lazy' colloquialism than anything else.
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They use lefty these days as equivalent, because anyone who disagrees is a lefty... despite me not being left at all..
 
Bradesmaen said:
They use lefty these days as equivalent, because anyone who disagrees is a lefty... despite me not being left at all..
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Fair enough. Labels are never a nice thing, it clearly happens on both sides.

I was called a man hater on twitter because I had the nerve to criticise 'Toxic Masculinity' as the leading cause of male suicide (I said there were other societal, evolutionary biological and behavioural factors and I pointed out the fact that females attempt suicide even more than men, clearly there's something else is at play rather than 'toxic' anything, such a sexist term) and that social constructionism/blank slate is largely bull dust.
 
Bradesmaen said:
They use lefty these days as equivalent, because anyone who disagrees is a lefty... despite me not being left at all..
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Not comparable. Being called a "leftie" is suggesting that one has left wing views. Hardly an insult. Being called a nazi is suggesting that one is extremely bigoted and condones genocide. A touch more extreme?
 
FireKraquora said:
Not comparable. Being called a "leftie" is suggesting that one has left wing views. Hardly an insult. Being called a nazi is suggesting that one is extremely bigoted and condones genocide. A touch more extreme?
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Just on the Nazi thing, the amount of times that Nazism and Fascism is conflated or mashed together is a major fallacy. There's a number of distinctive ideological and political differences between the two.
 
Bradesmaen said:
They use lefty these days as equivalent, because anyone who disagrees is a lefty... despite me not being left at all..
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You claim to be "centre right":rolleyes:

Like a certain Mod
Makes it easier to label anyone you disagree with a far right extremist
You are as "centre right" as I am "centre left"
 
Kangaroos4eva said:
Just on the Nazi thing, the amount of times that Nazism and Fascism is conflated or mashed together is a major fallacy. There's a number of distinctive ideological and political differences between the two.
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Not on this board
Question the approved narrative and you are instantly a neo nazi,fascist,homophobic,islamaphobic,transphobic etc,etc,etc
 
WA ROO said:
You claim to be "centre right":rolleyes:

Like a certain Mod
Makes it easier to label anyone you disagree with a far right extremist
You are as "centre right" as I am "centre left"
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Braedsmaen centre right?
Thanks for the afternoon chuckle
 
CheapCharlie said:
Braedsmaen centre right?
Thanks for the afternoon chuckle
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A lot of people who take the left-wing position on every issue (often passionately so) claim to be centre-right, or centrist. The lack of self awareness is odd.
 

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I don't see the need to label my position. If you ask me what I think about issues like freedom of speech or privacy, I'm as stauch a libertarian as you'll come across; I don't approve of 18c, really, because without the freedom to say what should be criticised it remains uncriticised. If you asked me what I think about social issues or economic distribution, I see class as the defining factor, and I view questions of race mainly through that lens, and I see conservatism as the root of all ills, as it preserves the general status quo.

Is there any point to the arbitrary 'leftist' 'rightist' dichotomy, beyond seeking to smear the other team?
 
Gethelred said:
Is there any point to the arbitrary 'leftist' 'rightist' dichotomy, beyond seeking to smear the other team?
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It may be an oversimplification, but browse these sub forums and you will see that 90% of people will fit neatly on one side or the other on nearly every issue. The left/right paradigm works for most people.
 
Bradesmaen said:
It's also not linear.. people can care about others in a socialist way while still wantuwa a free market approach. However all those who label people leftist aren't educated enough to realise this.
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Agreed, that's why you get weird political variants like Green Conservatism.

In my own experience, I have shifted from generic neo-conservatism to basically a liberal conservative who sees the potential in a mixed market approach to economics. Everyone belongs to a variant of something in a political sense.
 
FireKraquora said:
It may be an oversimplification, but browse these sub forums and you will see that 90% of people will fit neatly on one side or the other on nearly every issue. The left/right paradigm works for most people.
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Possibly.

I just don't really see the point in the labeling of an individual as a fascist, or as a communist, 'right wing' or 'left wing'. No two humans are the same, think the same, and to refuse to argue past their general position on any given issue is genuine laziness as far as I'm concerned.

I refuse utterly to believe your position is beyond merit, just as I refuse utterly the right to prove my own wrong or right. Without genuine argument between us two, who can truly be sure that either position is correct/false? I would prefer to argue for hours with a troll than to refuse you the right to be correct eventually, even if I refuse to see it.

Otherwise, what's the point of opinion at all?
 
The left/right paradigm has its place for quick and easy reference, but beyond that, is wildly inaccurate. People don't fit in nice little boxes where you can lump the overwhelming majority into one of two and say "Same thing in each box". Makes it easier to throw out easy insults and generalisations with each "side" fighting a war of terminology more than anything, but it's mostly pointless diatribes for people who are incapable of or don't want to engage in anything beyond the surface.

Have a conversation with someone one-on-one and you'll discover the nuances people have. Change it to digital or social media and everyone is either a bleeding heart watermelon liberal or right wing racist nutter. Bleh.
 
ShanDog said:
The left/right paradigm has its place for quick and easy reference, but beyond that, is wildly inaccurate. People don't fit in nice little boxes where you can lump the overwhelming majority into one of two and say "Same thing in each box". Makes it easier to throw out easy insults and generalisations with each "side" fighting a war of terminology more than anything, but it's mostly pointless diatribes for people who are incapable of or don't want to engage in anything beyond the surface.

Have a conversation with someone one-on-one and you'll discover the nuances people have. Change it to digital or social media and everyone is either a bleeding heart watermelon liberal or right wing racist nutter. Bleh.
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It's quite irritating to me with a history and political science background. Even with the liberal thing, it belongs to both side of politics and has become associated with the left thanks to the USA, despite the Republican party typically having economic liberal policies and their emphasis on particular individual rights like free speech and the right to raise a militia and bear arms.

I've always felt that liberalism was more on the right side of the political spectrum due to its emphasis on the individual and free market liberalism. There is left-wing liberalism, but the more you go to the left, the more it becomes about the collective, about equality and about classes of people (at least in the identity politics realm) rather than true Locke-like or Hobbes-like liberalism.
 
Kangaroos4eva said:
It's quite irritating to me with a history and political science background. Even with the liberal thing, it belongs to both side of politics and has become associated with the left thanks to the USA, despite the Republican party typically having economic liberal policies and their emphasis on particular individual rights like free speech and the right to raise a militia and bear arms.

I've always felt that liberalism was more on the right side of the political spectrum due to its emphasis on the individual and free market liberalism. There is left-wing liberalism, but the more you go to the left, the more it becomes about the collective, about equality and about classes of people (at least in the identity politics realm) rather than true Locke-like or Hobbes-like liberalism.
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I was listening to a podcast from Heterodox Academy the other day where someone was discussing the nature of political discourse and how terminology is used in a tribal sense. Their position (which I don't necessarily agree with) was that words can't be taken simply on face value and that they have social meaning, which plays a big part in the way different political groups try to appropriate and adopt terminology to use for derision and as almost a dog-whistle for "their" side. I think there's a lot of truth in that, and it explains a lot of how political posturing around language occurs and we end up recycling words like liberal to the point where its meaning is wholly dependent on who is saying it and whether it's meant as a pejorative or not. Crazy.
 
WA ROO said:
Not on this board
Question the approved narrative and you are instantly a neo nazi,fascist,homophobic,islamaphobic,transphobic etc,etc,etc
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But you don’t “question”. You get on your soap box.
 
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