If Carlton win the 2023 Flag....
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- Mar 25, 2019
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Might be safer
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The Eagles of 2018 were a fine team, deserved premiers... But the Pies did them a huge favour by upsetting the top-of-the-ladder Tigers in the Prelim. West Coast players and fans would've been high-fiving each other after that result, knowing they only had to beat Melbourne (5th-placed September novices) in the Prelim before facing a Collingwood team they'd already beaten twice in the previous 2 months.
Home ground advantage is vastly overrated... as Port Adelaide proved in the 2020, 2021 and 2023 Preliminary Finals.
It gives weaklings a ready-made excuse for their teams failings. Rather than acknowledging they were beaten by a better side, they can blame their team's defeat on their away "disadvantage", or on injuries, or the umpires... Weak as piss.
Teams who are good enough can win anywhere. As the Giants have shown this year by defeating:
- the Cats at Kardinia Park
- the Kangaroos in Hobart
- the Dees in Alice Springs
- the Swans at the SCG & Showgrounds
- the Crows in Adelaide
- the Suns in Canberra
- the Bulldogs in Ballarat
- the Blues at Marvel Stadium
- the Saints at the MCG
- and Port at the Adelaide Oval
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Why don't you ever play there as the away team?
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Because everyone wants to play us on their home ground in front of a huge crowd
You don't travel down the highway because your supporter base is too big 
Just like Manchester United won't travel to Luton Town this year, right?
Just like Manchester United won't travel to Luton Town this year, right?
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We'll travel anywhere, bring it on!!You don't travel down the highway because your supporter base is too big
Just like Manchester United won't travel to Luton Town this year, right?
We don't get to decide where our away games are played as far as I know
On the number 1 draft picks , Carlton have 2 . Same as Gold Coast and GWS. Actually, both those sides have a heap more 1st round selections than Carlton .
They are the 2 sides who really should be contending currently every year with what they were handed by the AFL with compo picks etc.
Yeah never said Collingwood pick and choose where they play, but the AFL do it for them extremely favourably. And it's all well and good to say it, but release the 2024 fixture with 11 interstate games for Collingwood and there would be riots.
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That's because the 17 other clubs go to the AFL practically begging for a home game v Collingwood, on the biggest possible ground
We can't help being popular!!
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If a rested Brisbane cant beat a banged up Carlton at home and choke another prelim they should blow the place up.
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There's as much chance of Carlton beating the Lions up there as there is of the lights going out during the game.
Wait...what?
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I cannot see any way that Carlton win the flag.
Brisbane should be too strong for them up there.
If Brisbane fall over, there is zero chance, they will beat Collingwood, or GWS the following week.
BUT if they do win the whole damn thing, it will be worthy of a movie.
To most people it would be a horror movie.
Brisbane should be too strong for them up there.
If Brisbane fall over, there is zero chance, they will beat Collingwood, or GWS the following week.
BUT if they do win the whole damn thing, it will be worthy of a movie.
To most people it would be a horror movie.
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It wouldn't even rank amongst the best flags letalone be the best. Not sure what the obsession is with rags to riches. I prefer to rank the truly great teams as the ones in contention for the best flag. I get people like a fairytale story but seeing an elite list crafted, well coached and executing in the bit games deserves more credit than pulling a flag out your arse in years where this is no dominant team.
I also understand why these types of flags would be more special to their own supporter base due to the underdog nature of them but should never be considered by the neutral as all-time.
I also understand why these types of flags would be more special to their own supporter base due to the underdog nature of them but should never be considered by the neutral as all-time.
If you are talking within a season, probably. But they did finish 9th last year with the expectation they should be doing a lot better.
A lot of people were expecting them to be a top 4 team and biggest improvers before the season started. It probably could be said they have been living up to expectations in the second half of the year.
If you are talking about a team from one season to the next then I know Richmond went on to win the 2017 premiership after finishing 13th the previous year. Even though most people expected Richmond to finish very low on the ladder going into 2017, they did play in a finals series a few years beforehand.
Other teams may have won tghe premiership after finishing below 9th as well, but I can't be bothered going through 100 years of ladder positions to look it up.
Regardless, Carlton still need to get past the Lions at the GABBA which will be a tough game. If they can get past that then I'd say they are a very good chance against Collingwood or GWS in the Grand Final.
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They’ll be finishing 3rd/4th, surely statue worthy.
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Let's play along this hypothetical. Zero chance to beat Collingwood or GWS at the 'G despite beating the best team in the comp right now at the GABBA?
Yeah, makes perfect sense.
If we beat Brissy, we'll probably go in as favourites... especially against a Collingwood side who were beaten at full strength without McKay/Cerra/Walsh/McGovern available. Walsh is probably MVP in this finals series.
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If Carlton win it all - it will be one of the greatest coaching performances of all time. I hate Carlton (or I used to when they were our fiercest rival ) but I'd acknowledge a great achievement if I saw it
We're far from favourites but it's bizarre to say that a team that's won 12 of the last 13 games can't win two more.
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If Carlton beat Brisbane, they have won the flag
That being said, the biggest weaknesses of Sydney/Melbourne were their goalkicking... Brisbane have a very potent forward line (Cameron, Hipwood, Daniher, Bailey, Rayner and maybe Gunston comes in as a swingman)
That being said, the biggest weaknesses of Sydney/Melbourne were their goalkicking... Brisbane have a very potent forward line (Cameron, Hipwood, Daniher, Bailey, Rayner and maybe Gunston comes in as a swingman)
No but a GWS flag would be up there.
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