USA Is the USA the worst nation to exist since classical times?

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This is the thread for people who have matured enough to question authority but are still too lazy to bother to educate themselves about histroy and what happens outside of western countries.
Sorry to do you like this Seeds, couldn't help myself...


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Without US materiel flowing into the Soviet Union during WW II as Lend Lease and US troops in France, Italy and North Africa the Germans would never have been defeated in Europe.
The US could have easily turned their back on Europe and just concentrated on defeating Japan in the Pacific region.
A Nazi Europe with long range rockets and a developing atomic program is an horrific future to be contemplated.
 

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Without US materiel flowing into the Soviet Union during WW II as Lend Lease and US troops in France, Italy and North Africa the Germans would never have been defeated in Europe.
The US could have easily turned their back on Europe and just concentrated on defeating Japan in the Pacific region.
A Nazi Europe with long range rockets and a developing atomic program is an horrific future to be contemplated.
True, but the Soviets weren't much better. Essentially the same result ended up with long range missiles with nuclear weapons pointed at the US.

It even ended up with support for Communism lending to the communist China party winning the civil war resulting in the ominous times we live in today (ww3 is terrifyingly possible).

*Not a German support post, just a global politics example of cause and affect. Power changes over time, and the outcome of WW2 lead to the cold war, Korean war, Vietnam, Cuban missile crisis, the Communist China, The Coronavirus pandemic (lab leak??) and imminent WW3.
 

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brought back democracy to western civilisation.

set up the UN and multilateral frameworks to give more power to smaller countries even though it was the country that would least benefit.

drove the creation of the UN Human rights charter To give rights to women, minorities and the poor.

was the world leading power during the 80 year period of greatest advancement in the history of human civilisation (i.e.greatest Reductions in violence, greatest rises in life expectancy, greatest rises in wealth, greatest reduction in poverty rates).

while being far from perfect in the last 80 years its probably been the greatest world power for humanity of all time.

give me a better one? The brits? The ming dynasty chinese? The mongolians? The spanish? The romans?



ended imperlists conquer by making land theft illegal.
Trump's undone all that.
No longer a beacon for democracy due to insurrection, not accepting democratic vote, false claims of voter fraud.
Cosying up to North Korea and Russia.
Filling the Supreme Court with extremists.
Blatent racism and affiliating with far-right extremists.
Before that lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands people in the name of cheaper fuel.
A war on drugs which is just a way of jailing minorities and poverty stricken people.
No universal health care, extremist gun culture. Biased right wing media of racists and climate deniers.
Women losing hard fought rights.
Extreme wealth gaps.
No longer a secular political country.
Hardly a beacon for democracy now.
The Nordic countries are a much better reflection of democracy.
America is on the way to becoming a failed state.
 

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Perpetrators and benefactors of the worst holocaust/genocide in recorded history.
Manifest Destiny is the inspiration for Lebensraum.

Chattel slavery. The worst form of slavery with 600,000 being bred like farm animals led to around 10 million people being dehumanised.

Haiti, the US fought against the slave revolt. Helping France enforce Haiti pay back the debts of their slave owners, now blown out to 21 bil.

Cuba, the US is continual interfering with and supportive of organised crime controlling it.

Stealing land from Mexico. While a European settler-colonial nation, genetically it is obvious that it is a majority first nations people. Who now are treated as foreigners in lands around the border.

Philipines. Imperialist conquering replete war crimes.

Latin America. Using covert and not so covert forces for the benefit of their elites to rob these nations of their natural resources. This, along with the war on drugs, has built long term political instability and many military-based fascist governments. Any attempt at socialism leads to a coup or aggressive financial/trade acts of war.

The middle-east. Also been operating with neo-colonialism in a similar way to Latin America.
Supports Israel, which would have been reigned in if it wasn't for their misuse of the UN veto.
Supporting Saudis who are the home and funding of Wahabism, which is perhaps the only human political philosophy worse than fascism.

Africa. Supported apartheid and other horror shows.

Vietnam.

Iraq.

Afghanistan.

War on terror - yet supporting Saudis.

Climate change.

Through all of their genocide and imperialism have gathered more wealth than any nation in history, yet have wealth distribution resembling a tinpot authoritarian nation.

World wide they have fought hard to interfere with any nation that seeks to distribute wealth and power fairly.

So many worry about China. However, we've been living through this nightmare. China is nothing to worry about in comparison.
You forgot the theft of Hawaii.
 

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Trump's undone all that.
No longer a beacon for democracy due to insurrection, not accepting democratic vote, false claims of voter fraud.
Cosying up to North Korea and Russia.
Filling the Supreme Court with extremists.
Blatent racism and affiliating with far-right extremists.
Before that lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands people in the name of cheaper fuel.
A war on drugs which is just a way of jailing minorities and poverty stricken people.
No universal health care, extremist gun culture. Biased right wing media of racists and climate deniers.
Women losing hard fought rights.
Extreme wealth gaps.
No longer a secular political country.
Hardly a beacon for democracy now.
The Nordic countries are a much better reflection of democracy.
America is on the way to becoming a failed state.

You give Trump too much credit to accredit him all the above.
 

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Trump's undone all that.
No longer a beacon for democracy due to insurrection, not accepting democratic vote, false claims of voter fraud.
Cosying up to North Korea and Russia.
Filling the Supreme Court with extremists.
Blatent racism and affiliating with far-right extremists.
Before that lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands people in the name of cheaper fuel.
A war on drugs which is just a way of jailing minorities and poverty stricken people.
No universal health care, extremist gun culture. Biased right wing media of racists and climate deniers.
Women losing hard fought rights.
Extreme wealth gaps.
No longer a secular political country.
Hardly a beacon for democracy now.
The Nordic countries are a much better reflection of democracy.
America is on the way to becoming a failed state.
Trump has taken the us in the wrong direction definately. But undone all that? Its not undone. Weakened yes.

As sad as it may be, the us is still our only hope to put the world back on a path towards global cooperation, humanisn and democracy. The only liberal democracy big enough and technological advanced enough to stand up against the rising authoritarian threats. but it first has to deal with its own internal authoritarian threat, which as i have been pointing out for years, is much more dangerous then we all realise.
 

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Trump has taken the us in the wrong direction definately. But undone all that? Its not undone. Weakened yes.

As sad as it may be, the us is still our only hope to put the world back on a path towards global cooperation, humanisn and democracy. The only liberal democracy big enough and technological advanced enough to stand up against the rising authoritarian threats. but it first has to deal with its own internal authoritarian threat, which as i have been pointing out for years, is much more dangerous then we all realise.
The US will never lead the world on climate action because there is not a singular authority to act on it.
If China wants to do something they can because Xi has the power to do anything he wants.
Biden can't even set an emmisions reduction scheme as the supreme court has ruled that coal mines are not answerable to federal rule.
The corporations rule America and I wouldn't call America a liberal democracy anymore.
The unelected supreme court have more power than Biden and are voting against what the majority want.
It's not a case of American exceptionalism and demicracy it's more like American corporate rule.
Plus the gerrymandering gives some people's vote more weight than others.
 

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The US will never lead the world on climate action because there is not a singular authority to act on it.
If China wants to do something they can because Xi has the power to do anything he wants.
Biden can't even set an emmisions reduction scheme as the supreme court has ruled that coal mines are not answerable to federal rule.
The corporations rule America and I wouldn't call America a liberal democracy anymore.
The unelected supreme court have more power than Biden and are voting against what the majority want.
It's not a case of American exceptionalism and demicracy it's more like American corporate rule.
Plus the gerrymandering gives some people's vote more weight than others.
The irony is the majority of technologies that will be used to help clean the world have primarily been developed by american companies.
 

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Spanish conquest of South America was truly awful. For all it's faults, the US never used young girls as literal currency
 

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Yes, why do you ask? You don't feel your humanity a little destroyed by reading the events described in that article?
Sorry before reading your article i was just reading an article about how the world is only one mistep away from nuclear destruction.

so no i find your reference to humanity destroyed in your article ridiculous. Dont misuse phrases. It devalues them. Like a teenager saying my life is over because someone wore the same dress as them.
 

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Kidding, right?
Sorry before reading your article i was just reading an article about how the world is only one mistep away from nuclear destruction.

so no i find your reference to humanity destroyed in your article ridiculous. Dont misuse phrases. It devalues them. Like a teenager saying my life is over because someone wore the same dress as them.
I’m not misusing anything. “Humanity” has multiple definitions, and one of them is “one’s individual good human qualities”.
 

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Spanish conquest of South America was truly awful. For all it's faults, the US never used young girls as literal currency

All aided & abetted by the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church, the worlds first & biggest corporation which has brainwashed, subjugated, maimed & killed countless millions of people over 2000 years.

The US palls into insignificance compared to the Church. Followed closely by Islam, the younger murderous cult.
 

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All aided & abetted by the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church, the worlds first & biggest corporation which has brainwashed, subjugated, maimed & killed countless millions of people over 2000 years.

The US palls into insignificance compared to the Church. Followed closely by Islam, the younger murderous cult.

Atheists have done fairly well too, when it comes to killing millions. Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin.