Toast Is Tom Hawkins the Best All-Round Forward in the AFL Right Now?

[Damon_3388]

Seriously? Facts?

What facts are you basing your assertions on?

 

[Donakebab]

What has he done in between?

Kicked more goals than Jack Riewoldt.

 

[BBC1967]

What facts are you basing your assertions on?

JK and JR have been outstanding for a longer period of time. Still believe TH is good footballer but nowhere near the other two.

 

[Brutalitops]

Incredibly athletic clearly 2m in the high jump as a junior. Injuries destroyed that but has completely change his game to be effective. Credit to him.

Over his career I have him behind Kennedy and about level with j Reiwoldt

And the length of Flemington behind Franklin

 

[Bald]

Tom Hawkins is an amazingly underrated footballer but he only had one good season in his first 5-6 years.

BE. PATIENT. WITH. YOUR. FORWARDS.

 

[PhatBoy]

JK and JR have been outstanding for a longer period of time. Still believe JH is good footballer but nowhere near the other two.

riewoldt had a breakout year in 2010. Hawkins’ was 2012.

riewoldt has had a very quiet 19-20 (not his fault as such, he was injured for a lot of last year obviously) so I’d suggest they’ve been outstanding for the same period of time.

 

[BBC1967]

Kicked more goals than Jack Riewoldt.

Career I think JR has him covered.

 

[Damon_3388]

JK and JR have been outstanding for a longer period of time. Still believe JH is good footballer but nowhere near the other two.

Factoring in injuries and their career arc, I'd say Hawkins has had longer, more consistent production (8 straight years and counting of 90 marks/45 goals/15 goal assists, something JK and Jack have never achieved at any stage), that looks like it could continue for a while yet.

 

[BBC1967]

riewoldt had a breakout year in 2010. Hawkins’ was 2012.

riewoldt has had a very quiet 19-20 (not his f

Factoring in injuries and their career arc, I'd say Hawkins has had longer, more consistent production (8 straight years and counting of 90 marks/45 goals/15 goal assists, something JK and Jack have never achieved at any stage), that looks like it could continue for a while yet.

Agree to totally disagree.

 

[Damon_3388]

Tom Hawkins is an amazingly underrated footballer but he only had one good season in his first 5-6 years.

BE. PATIENT. WITH. YOUR. FORWARDS.

Honestly, he entered his prime when most players do, in their 5th-7th year, around 23-25 years of age. Peaking at an earlier age shouldn't be the expectation, because it is largely the exception, not the rule.

I think having some of his best seasons at an age when he should be "past his prime" (2018-onwards, aged 30 plus) more than makes up for his "slow start", and is arguably more impressive than "bursting onto the scene" early on.

 

[Bungeye]

In my opinion Fevola doesn't get the credit he deserves because he was a late bloomer and he played in a crap team. At hes best he had the most x factor, apart from buddy and the kick to compliment hes marking prowess.

 

[PhatBoy]

In my opinion Fevola doesn't get the credit he deserves because he was a late bloomer and he played in a crap team. At hes best he had the most x factor, apart from buddy and the kick to compliment hes marking prowess.

Fev was a superb player

 

[Donakebab]

Career I think JR has him covered.

You asked what he had done since 2011. Moving the goalposts.

 

[BBC1967]

You asked what he had done since 2011. Moving the goalposts.

No way, JR is better player. Total career goals flags etc etc

 

[demondavey]

There has not been a more dominant forward since Carey.

Without a doubt the most criminally underrated player of the last twenty years. He doesn't get as noticed because instead of kicking bags of ten, he is always looking to involve his teammates in the game.

Matthew Lloyd
Barry Hall

 

[demondavey]

There has not been a more dominant forward since Carey.

Without a doubt the most criminally underrated player of the last twenty years. He doesn't get as noticed because instead of kicking bags of ten, he is always looking to involve his teammates in the game.

Oh and buddy

 

[Roobs321]

Quality 50-a-year focal point type since 2011 GF, and seems a lovely bloke (even if he reminds me of transformed fish face Zarbon at times), but I'd take JJK over him in a heartbeat.

JJK and Jack at their best were able to tear the comp apart, and have been in late-stage contention for the coleman on several occasions

Fun fact: we both ran our first marathon on the same day, as well as being '88 NSW babies (2006 is my draft class), so I've always quietly hoped he did well

 

[Seeds]

3 Coleman's, 3 AA and 2 flags, one with less tall support than Hawkins has ever had.

Yeah total dud

the all australian in 2018 was a joke. It should of been hawkins instead who was better then riewoldt in almost every statistic. Hawkins and franklin were so far ahead of every other forward that year it wasnt funny.

and what tall support has hawkins had since he was a kid? pods for a year. he has had no support for 7 years. And lets face it we are only even comparing the two because hawkins stuffed his back in 2013 which impacted him greatly for 5 years.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

He's having a great year. Would have him as the AA CHF currently.

 

[Cdog71]

riewoldt had a breakout year in 2010. Hawkins’ was 2012.

riewoldt has had a very quiet 19-20 (not his fault as such, he was injured for a lot of last year obviously) so I’d suggest they’ve been outstanding for the same period of time.

There is the small matter of having a taller marking fwd in our team now.

Hawkins is a great player and good to see him get alotve space last night also for a bloke who’s built the proverbial hasnt really copped many running injuries, must be super professional to keep at the level.
Top 5 last 10 years

 

[thecatattack]

Tbh he probably should've won the Coleman in 2012 where he finished 2nd to Riewoldt by 3 goals and went into the final round only down 1 and had the ball kicked down his throat all game and kicked 4 whilst passing off many more than he should've. If he was a bit more selfish that game he'd probably have finished on double that of 4 goals.

 

[thecatattack]

There is the small matter of having a taller marking fwd in our team now.

Hawkins is a great player and good to see him get alotve space last night also for a bloke who’s built the proverbial hasnt really copped many running injuries, must be super professional to keep at the level.
Top 5 last 10 years

Hawkins suffered a debilitating back injury that looked like it was potentially career-ending with the way he was performing due to it but was able to reinvent himself to what he is today.

 

[Donakebab]

He's having a great year. Would have him as the AA CHF currently.

Nah most goals, FF.

 

[Predator35]

For some reason I didn't realise Riewoldt was that tall! I guess that makes hes pressure and ground ball gets even better.

Jacks taller than cousin Nick.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Nah most goals, FF.

Well, there's an asterisk to that given Geelong have played two extra games.

That aside, kicking the most goals means you should, as a general rule, be picked in the side. Not necessarily at FF.

Lance Franklin, for example, won the Coleman in 2017 and was picked at CHF.