Its Time For Trigg To Resign.

[jenny61_99]

Is there anything new that we don't already know? NO? Didn't think so.

 

[FR0GGY]

Is there anything new that we don't already know? NO? Didn't think so.

Is there anything we don't know? Yes alot......

 

[Mike Smyth]

Bump.

Today Ollie Wines played a fantastic debut for Port. Notwithstanding that we didn't play our mini-draft pick Brad Crouch (an argument for another thread) in round one, we don't have a first (or second) round pick to play this year, nor will we have next year.

Five years from now we're going to feel this, bad. Thank Vlad we've got free agency - not because I think it's a good idea, but because it's the only way we're going to be able to attract top-end talent to the club. And if we're serious about attracting top-level SA talent home, we may have to contend with a resurgent Port looking like a destination to go to. Didn't Thompson and Jacobs both want to go to Port if they were coming back to SA?

There's nothing we can do to get those draft picks back. However, we can remove the persons whose responsibility this mess is.

That's the main bit that really sucks. The guy responsible is still going to be collecting a nice big fat pay cheque while we, the supporter, watch out team fluffing around mid table for at least the next 3 years. The only way we can protest this is to close our pockets and stopping buying the merchandise and/or stop going to the games. Effectively, close our wallets until the people involved are held to account and removed from the club. Unfortunately, if we do this though we hurt the players, coaches and club....and ourselves.
A few facts from your post:

1) It will hurt us in 5 years but its also going to hurt us now. Last year and this year we should have been improving our list but thanks to Trigg/Reid we are going to stagnate while other top 4 contenders are going to get better.

2) Schultz, Monfries, Logan, Thompson, Jacobs and Ebert(obviously) all had Port as their preferred option. Not a good look for the supposed SA "powerhouse" and the "team for all Sth Australians".

3) We have been a way to conservative developer of youth. Image winning the weekly rising star nomination and then getting dropped to the SANFL the following week. Seriously, wtf is our priority as a club, just to be competitive or to win premierships? Because if it's not the later than we are just wasting our time and money.

 

[Vader]

It's not as bad as you make out. We lost the following picks from 2012:

Pick 20
Pick 54

In 2012 we added Crouch who will be much better than pick 20.

We will be losing our 1st and 2nd round picks from 2013 and depending where we finish this year - this might hurt us.

Its not an ideal situation but in no way is at as bad as you are making out. Draft picks are a lottery and you lose more than you win (Sellar/Pfeiffer/Watts)....

And we picked up Siggins with our 3rd round pick - it's highly likely that we would have taken him at #54, so really we only lost #20 last year.

 

[Elite Crow]

And we picked up Siggins with our 3rd round pick - it's highly likely that we would have taken him at #54, so really we only lost #20 last year.

Tippett compensation?

 

[Mike Smyth]

I can see us still saying in 2015 "yeah but we drafted Crouch". Didn't we effectively get Crouch for Davis in 2011? Not sure how recruiting Crouch in 2011 softens the blow for our 2012/2013 draft pick debacle. Why even mention him?

We effectively lose 4 x 1st round draft picks ( 3 possible top 12's (2 for Tippett)and pick 22) and 2 second round draft picks. We also lose the ability to use picks for any trade deals so hence, we end up with player Angus Graham.

 

[Mike Smyth]

And we picked up Siggins with our 3rd round pick - it's highly likely that we would have taken him at #54, so really we only lost #20 last year.

You didn't believe that did you? And Sellar was a "steal" at pick 14...................

 

[Vader]

You didn't believe that did you? And Sellar was a "steal" at pick 14...................

Why the disbelief? Just because you choose to ignore, or cast as lies, everything the club says doesn't mean that that's the case. That says more about your disillusionment with the club than it does about the club itself.

What we do know is that he was available at pick #54. We grabbed him with pick #66 - only 12 picks later. Siggins fitted an identified need (tall defender). None of the players selected in the interval fitted our needs the way that Siggins did. How is it unreasonable to think we would have grabbed him at #54 if we hadn't forfeited that selection?

I'm not suggesting that we would have taken him with pick #20. That would be absurd. Pick #20 is a clear loss, no doubt about it.. But to suggest that we would have taken the same player at #54 as we did at #66 is perfectly reasonable.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Is there anything new that we don't already know? NO? Didn't think so.

GTFO of the thread then.

 

[craig crowing]

Lets get some key points here .
Due to Tippett fiasco .
We lost out on FA and in particular Pearce that would have injected speed we badly need.
We lost out on trades we like GHS etc that we would have got from Swans in a deal or at least a Rohan plus a 2nd round pick .
But remember if the deal we were told that wasn't, but was common knowledge to Swans, then probably Swans hat might not have been in ring and would have traded well with Lions os Suns.
There was lot of good players left at 20 and even 54 that would have added to our club in short or long term.
Then of course our reputation has been badly tainted along with a big hole in our pocket that our membership money put there.
Yes something has changed Jen as it hurts every week someone personally or on TV tarnishes our clubs name in this saga and we read that the person totally responsible is OS doing research for us and will be back soon .
I for one will continue to raise my views and will not let up until this highly paid person is no longer part of our club.

 

[Deaneus!]

Lets get some key points here .
Due to Tippett fiasco .
We lost out on FA and in particular Pearce that would have injected speed we badly need.
We lost out on trades we like GHS etc that we would have got from Swans in a deal or at least a Rohan plus a 2nd round pick .
But remember if the deal we were told that wasn't, but was common knowledge to Swans, then probably Swans hat might not have been in ring and would have traded well with Lions os Suns.
There was lot of good players left at 20 and even 54 that would have added to our club in short or long term.
Then of course our reputation has been badly tainted along with a big hole in our pocket that our membership money put there.
Yes something has changed Jen as it hurts every week someone personally or on TV tarnishes our clubs name in this saga and we read that the person totally responsible is OS doing research for us and will be back soon .
I for one will continue to raise my views and will not let up until this highly paid person is no longer part of our club.

Trigg isn't overseas, he's in Adelaide currently.

 

[jenny61_99]

Trigg isn't overseas, he's in Adelaide currently.

Shhh that would spoil their fun.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We spent his junket money on lawyers

 

[LC40]

Apart from losing those picks which will come back to haunt us the free kick we are giving Port is unbelievable. Koch is on national television plugging them on every occasion he can.The Advertiser is full of them and Keith Thomas is kicking goal after goal with signings and sponsorship annoucements.
Chapman is rarely seen and when he is seen you think he is auditioning for a models job at Madame Tussaud's . Steven Trigg is oh that's right our CEO can't be seen for six months. Talk about giving our cross town rivals a free run at the publicity machine,we'll tread water why the other mob get the kudos.

Trigg should have resigned and gone into private enterprise and started earning a dollar.
When he finally reappears every time he holds a press conference or makes an announcement it will be by that tainted CEO. I don't hate the man it will be the perception and football clubs thrive on publicity and image. This whole saga still has another year to play out due to the draft picks.
Why didn't we do what should have been done.

A few fresh new faces in the Crows management would have clawed back some of the spot light and shown that we were serious about making change.
Yes it's good to see Nigel's face in the paper but he is still one of the good old boys. When are we going to bite the bullet and bring in some fresh talent. We are handcuffed with the draft picks but we should not have been with the management team. This whole period is an opportunity being missed, football is ever changing and waits for no one... except at the AFC.

 

[iamcorky]

Enough talk about Trigg.. Just need to get over Tippett and move on with the business of playing good consistent footy over the course of the season.

 

[Mark Dreher]

Hit home for me yesterday watching Geelong.

How do they keep this unbelievable standard year after year. They make every draft count. Last year and this year we dont count.
The reason we didn't/don't count is still gainfully employed why ?
If we want to be a force in this league we have to not make mistakes, this is a massive mistake with long term effects. In a normal workforce he does not survive .

 

[Deaneus!]

They make every draft count. Last year and this year we don't count.

In a nutshell, ouch. 100% correct.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Apart from losing those picks which will come back to haunt us the free kick we are giving Port is unbelievable. Koch is on national television plugging them on every occasion he can.The Advertiser is full of them and Keith Thomas is kicking goal after goal with signings and sponsorship annoucements.

Chapman is rarely seen and when he is seen you think he is auditioning for a models job at Madame Tussaud's . Steven Trigg is oh that's right our CEO can't be seen for six months. Talk about giving our cross town rivals a free run at the publicity machine,we'll tread water why the other mob get the kudos.

I understand what you're saying and somewhere deep down, I'm a little worried about it but saying that, that's summer in Adelaide. The same thing has been going on for the past 10 years. As soon as the Christmas lights go up, the previous season seems to be forgotten about and the media and the Port Adelaide Football Club start sending our these good news stories and start perpetuating propaganda as if the news stories are in fact real. Half the fitness and player development stores are just crap. They are aired every year and the past 4 or 5 have been proved to be false.

Let's see how many of these good news stories are still being sent out around June or July when they have had 4 or 5 bad losses to good teams or they have failed to attract more than 22,000 people to a game. Heck; lets see how they go next Saturday night when 20,000 only turn up. Let's see how many media personalities start distancing them self from the club when the losses come.

Saying that, 15 years ago when Eddie took over the Collingwood presidency and they were basically on their knees - look at them now. A small part of me can see David Koch doing the same thing with Port Adelaide. A small part.

I thing the motto of "Team for all South Australians" has almost ran it's race and it's time we started going national, if not international with our branding. Toyota is our major sponsor but it's only the Toyota dealerships of South Australia, hence Camry. It's not the same banding that sponsors the AFL or a formula 1 team. If Steven Trigg stays as CEO, we really need to start pushing the brand towards becoming a nationally recognizable brand, in the same way as Collingwood have done and Hawthorn, Essendon and West Coast are doing.

We're still a very insular club that holds it's core values and beliefs within the borders of South Australia, we really need to start expanding where we are going. Hopefully the trends of the past 5 or 6 years continue and the Power fall back into the shit heap they really are past 3 or 4 months isn't that free kick they so desperately need. Hopefully we don't look back in 5 or 10 years time and say, we really missed that boat and that was the event that leveled the playing field.

 

[Deaneus!]

I understand what you're saying and somewhere deep down, I'm a little worried about it but saying that, that's summer in Adelaide. The same thing has been going on for the past 10 years. As soon as the Christmas lights go up, the previous season seems to be forgotten about and the media and the Port Adelaide Football Club start sending our these good news stories and start perpetuating good news stories as if they are real.

Let's see how many of these good news stories are still being sent out around June or July when they have had 4 or 5 bad losses to good teams or they have failed to attract more than 22,000 people to a game. Heck; lets see how they go next Saturday night when 20,000 only turn up. Let's see how many media personalities start distancing them self from the club when the losses come.

Saying that, 15 years ago when Eddie took over the Collingwood presidency and they were basically on their knees - look at them now. A small part of me can see David Koch doing the same thing with Port Adelaide. A small part.

I thing the motto of "Team for all South Australians" has almost ran it's race and it's time we started going national, if not international with our branding. Toyota is our major sponsor but it's only the Toyota dealerships of South Australia, hence Camry. It's not the same banding that sponsors the AFL or a formula 1 team. If Steven Trigg stays as CEO, we really need to start pushing the brand towards becoming a nationally recognizable brand, in the same way as Collingwood have done and Hawthorn, Essendon and West Coast are doing.

We're still a very insular club that holds it's core values and beliefs within the borders of South Australia, we really need to start expanding where we are going. Hopefully the trends of the past 5 or 6 years continue and the Power fall back into the shit heap they really are past 3 or 4 months isn't that free kick they so desperately need. Hopefully we don't look back in 5 or 10 years time and say, we really missed that boat and that was the event that leveled the playing field.

Too much common sense for one post, especially the insular club part. Port managed to go National before we did.

 

[Cap]

I'm not to phased by David Koch, he only really has currency to a heap of stay at home parents in the Eastern seaboard and little or no credibility anywhere else.

We do however need to address our deficiencies which are quite clear at the top of the tree.

As Alex said, going national/international is probably the first step, removing the SA only sponsorship is probably a good start.

 

[ftmch]

... we really need to start pushing the brand towards becoming a nationally recognizable brand, in the same way as Collingwood have done and Hawthorn, Essendon and West Coast are doing.

What specifically are Hawthorn, Essendon and West Coast doing to brand themselves "nationally"?

 

[craig crowing]

Shhh that would spoil their fun.

Grabbing at straws there guys as he was overseas and was mentioned in a article thus the reason mentioned how his name keeps on coming at us .
I personally dont care where he is as long as not at Crows as our CEO.

 

[Cap]

What specifically are Hawthorn, Essendon and West Coast doing to brand themselves "nationally"?

have you been to a home Crows Game v Hawks or Dons?

I'd suggest they'd be closer to 50/50 than Port games.

Essendon are a National brand, Hawthorn less so, but still strong.

 

[Vader]

Essendon did a great job of branding themselves as the club for aboriginals to support, all around Australia. This was particularly the case when Sheedy was in charge and they had the likes of Derek Kickett on their list. This went a long way towards "nationalising" their brand.

Collingwood have a truly national brand as well, by virtue of being the Man United of the AFL (at least in terms of their supporters - thankfully they don't have anywhere near the degree of success that Man U enjoy).

Beyond that, it's hard to say that any particular club has a "national" brand - and that includes Carlton and West Coast, who are clearly the next two biggest clubs in the competition.

 

[ftmch]

have you been to a home Crows Game v Hawks or Dons?

I'd suggest they'd be closer to 50/50 than Port games.

Essendon are a National brand, Hawthorn less so, but still strong.

But that's nothing to do with any specific 'national' marketing strategies that these guys are adopting now or in the recent past. It's simply a by-product of the VFL days when most people followed one of the Victorian teams because it was the elite competition in the country.