Jason Dunstall vs Tony Lockett

[Gibbke]

Plugger, because he gave us the courtesy of not having to listen to shithouse commentary

They all find their niche eventually...

 

[dickster]

dickster you need to fix your quoting but your probably right in that it's the media scrutiny that would get to a guy like Lockett.

Sorry mate im still new to this, but ill try and workout how to fix my quoting thing.

 

[Kerleys Ghost]

Yeah, dickster you need to write your shit after it says "[/QUOTE]".

"[/QUOTE]" is "end quote", then you type your reply and post. Simples.

 

[dickster]

Yeah, The Passenger you need to write your shit after it says "

".

"[/QUOTE]" is "end quote", then you type your reply and post. Simples.[/QUOTE]
So was it correct with the one i did above?

 

[krisholio14]

Plugger spent good chunks of his career carrying crap teams. Look at the years he played in good teams and he had some of the most dominant goal kicking seasons in history. Did also win a Brownlow into the bargain.

Jason Dunstall rarely played in crap teams. Ok, he was a big part of Hawthorn's success during his career, but he was rarely surrounded by the sort of mugs Lockett was. That makes a huge difference as far as I'm concerned.

That being said, you have to be an out and out champion of the game to kick more than 1000 goals over a career, and even with Ablett in our team, I would gladly have taken either of them at Geelong. Especially since Dunstall used to feast on our mediocre defense on a regular basis.

 

[Kerleys Ghost]

dickster. You're close...

You've quoted me correctly at the top, but you've cut my post in half somehow, quoting half correctly and half incorrectly.

Sometimes the cursor jumps around while you're typing on bigfooty and causes these problems. Really annoying.

I've got to go now, you'll get the hang of it.

 

[Big_Birdy]

We should debate if Hodge or judd is better next, thats never been done as far as i know

So who do you think won the Judd trade?

 

[dickster]

For those th

Plugger spent good chunks of his career carrying crap teams. Look at the years he played in good teams and he had some of the most dominant goal kicking seasons in history. Did also win a Brownlow into the bargain.

Dunstall played with some of the greatest players of the era. Lockett dreamed of playing in a similar squad. The closest he got was playing in the Vic squad.
Watch how he dominated with Ablett up forward

 

[sr36]

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Dunstall was a way better defensive player, a very good tackler and chaser. The first full forward I can recall doing this consistently. It is now standard practice.

Agree. I think he would be good in this era but not dominant

 

[sr36]

Lol at Dunstall not being a threat at ground level. Ever seen his goal where he turned bruce doull inside out in a grand final? Or his goal at the whitten oval where he controlled the ball on the ground making doug Hawkins look stupid?

Dunstall gets pidgeon holed as a lead out take a mark kick a goal player which is just unfair. Easily the best player ive ever seen.

He was a great competitor so of course you can point to some excellent plays at ground level
But he didn't dominate in that area his big trick was great acceleration and perfect timing of leads into space. I don't think his skill set would make him great in this era.

 

[Rusty Brookes]

They all find their niche eventually...

You know that video might just explain why Derek Kickett looks the way he does these days

 

[sr36]

Two names which jumped right out: roger Merrett. Damian monkhurst. Wow.

Monkhurst had one really good year when he was one of the favorites. Merret played for a long time after his best. You may have forgotten that for a few years at essendon he was considered the best CHF around.

 

[MinerBoy]

He was a great competitor so of course you can point to some excellent plays at ground level
But he didn't dominate in that area his big trick was great acceleration and perfect timing of leads into space. I don't think his skill set would make him great in this era.

He was actually a pretty complete player. I mean there are some people saying he wasn't a strong contested mark..... seriously.... why do people comment at all if they've never seen him play.

Strong hands, great on the lead, strong one on one, good on the ground, great defensively. There's a reason he is considered one of the greatest players EVER.

I swear if I hadn't actually had the privilege of attending a large majority of the games he played, I would just read this thread and think he was a luckbox who just happened to kick 1000+ goals due to the Darren's (Pritch/Jars) force feeding footy down his throat.

ALL TIME GREAT. Lockett may well be even better but Dunstall is not streets behind anyone in the history of the game and was certainly not just a great competitor - he was dominant.

 

[The King!]

So who do you think won the Judd trade?

Judds bank acct

 

[Monkey King]

I'm pretty sure I've seen comparisons that have had Kernahan ahead.

You sure would have. I've seen a few scribes or ex-players who put Kernahan ahead, but he didn't have the aura of Dermie among fans. Sheehan for example had Sticks at no.33 in his best 50 players of all-time; Dermie didn't even make the 50. Kernahan is one of those players underrated by footy fans it seems, while his peers etc seem to rate him much higher than fans generally do.

 

[Damon_3388]

You know that video might just explain why Derek Kickett looks the way he does these days

Just "these days"? He always wore his jumper hanging out for a reason...

 

[Damon_3388]

You sure would have. I've seen a few scribes or ex-players who put Kernahan ahead, but he didn't have the aura of Dermie among fans. Sheehan for example had Sticks at no.33 in his best 50 players of all-time; Dermie didn't even make the 50. Kernahan is one of those players underrated by footy fans it seems, while his peers etc seem to rate him much higher than fans generally do.

Not only was Kernahan a better and more consistent player for a longer period than Brereton, but was a better leader and a two-time Premiership captain, which should serve to elevate his standing as well.

 

[Monkey King]

Wayne Carey, Glenn Archer, James Hird, Shane Crawford, Stephen Kernahan, Mike Sheehan are just a few of the football personalities that rate Dunstall higher than Lockett for example.

Almost looks like a list of people Dunstall has worked closely with in the media or otherwise; while Lockett is basically a footy recluse. FWIW, others like Richo, Ricciuto, Matera, Robert Harvey, Chris Grant, Stynes, Voss and Tim Watson all rate Lockett more highly. Oh and Paul Roos too.

Most revealing for me though, is the opinion of a guy who played directly against both many times and is pretty well qualified for judging how good a fullforward is - Stephen Silvagni. In his top 5 players he'd seen list, he had Lockett a few players ahead of Dunstall.

Lol at Dunstall not being a threat at ground level. Ever seen his goal where he turned bruce doull inside out in a grand final?

Just to point out here that Doull was 36yo and playing his last game of football.

 

[Hawkers]

Wasn't the saying this

'If I had a player for one game then I'd take Ablett'
'If I had a player for one year then I'd take Plugger'
'If I had a player for 10 years then I'd take Dunstall'

Seems about right to me

 

[Seeds]

Damn there's a lot of Hawk envy on here. You'd prefer one grand final appearance over 4 flags from 7 grand final appearances, in a team sport? Nice troll....

What has that got to do with individual achievements? Imagine how many goals Lockett would of kicked at Hawthorn? 1800 would of been possible.

 

[Seeds]

Based on stats Dunstall is the greatest full forward to ever play the game. He is ahead of Gary Ablett and everyone else.

What stats exactly? Lockett has a higher average of goals per game and Ablett as a full forward has a far higher average. Both also played in inferior sides and didn't get anywhere near the supply. Both kicked numerous bags of 10 plus in sides that we're getting beaten. I doubt Dunstall ever did.

 

[dean33]

dunstall had players like platten and jarman putting it down his throat... don't think lockett had that kind of service for as long as dunstall. Both champions of the game but plugger was the better.

 

[Roddy]

You sure would have. I've seen a few scribes or ex-players who put Kernahan ahead, but he didn't have the aura of Dermie among fans. Sheehan for example had Sticks at no.33 in his best 50 players of all-time; Dermie didn't even make the 50. Kernahan is one of those players underrated by footy fans it seems, while his peers etc seem to rate him much higher than fans generally do.

Yep, and yet Dermott has 5 flags to his name and Sticks has 2. This is the entire original point.

 

[Roddy]

What has that got to do with individual achievements? Imagine how many goals Lockett would of kicked at Hawthorn? 1800 would of been possible.

Read the original question before you comment. It was 'whose career would you rather have, in a team sport?'.

 

[Monkey King]

Yep, and yet Dermott has 5 flags to his name and Sticks has 2. This is the entire original point.

Wayne Carey has two flags to his name, while Dermie has five. Means next to nothing in terms of rating them as players.