I am interested to see if Wills will allow Pendles and AT to get a bit more outside ball. Whilst I prefer Degoey on the ball I can see Wills playing a role.
Player Watch Jordan De Goey
- Thread starter TradeDraft
- Start date
- Tagged users None
- Status
I am interested to see if Wills will allow Pendles and AT to get a bit more outside ball. Whilst I prefer Degoey on the ball I can see Wills playing a role.
- Jun 23, 2014
- 2,484
- 2,156
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
not sure about that you can tell early on if a player has it or not. Bontempelli had it, Pendles had it. you can tell Callum brown has it.
Jabso
Brownlow Medallist
I get your point and agree but midfield is Blair's best position. If he is in the team id prefer him to be a 70/30 mid/fwd than the feast or famine small forward target.
Last edited:
The last couple of weeks it's been a lead up forward role. That's not going to show too much of what he can do in the middle. I know he has to earn his stripes but this is his third year he has shown he can play forward last year. It's time for the next stage.
Some have it straight away some don't. Danger looked like he was going to be an avg forward when he first started. GAJ was another one.
Yet he still wasn't impactful. Bottom line is he just shouldn't be playing.
Apex36
Hall of Famer
- Mar 26, 2014
- 39,081
- 81,601
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
If Blair is in the side with a 70/30 midfield/forward split it's an indictment on our selection panel and our supposedly 'leagues best' midfield.
We have Adams, Pendlebury, Wells, Sidebottom, Treloar, Greenwood, JDG and Crisp who are all superior options to him in the midfield. If he's not good enough to get a game as a forward he shouldn't be in the team in the first place, and a player like Crocker should be brought in who can actually play as a forward and afford players like JDG the minutes they need to further their development.
jackcass
Cancelled
10k Posts
Magpie Service Medal
Collingwood - Josh Daicos Player Sponsor 2021
Collingwood - Tyler Brown Player Sponsor 2020
Collingwood Magpies AFLW - Sarah Rowe Player Sponsor 2019
It's the only way I can see it happening at the moment. Can't go from 1x 200cm KPF down to a cluster of 180ish cm small forwards, even worse when Moore takes a stint in the ruck.
Can't help but feel we need to start giving de Goey far more minutes through the midfield or risk totally stalling his development as a footballer.
How we manipulate this is the hard part and may require someone like Sidebottom spending more time forward or making a hard call on a player and omitting them.
I want to see it as early as next week against Melbourne a side with a deep midfield and stacked with impressive young talent.
de Goey vs Oliver is what I want.
How we manipulate this is the hard part and may require someone like Sidebottom spending more time forward or making a hard call on a player and omitting them.
I want to see it as early as next week against Melbourne a side with a deep midfield and stacked with impressive young talent.
de Goey vs Oliver is what I want.
Prochard123
Norm Smith Medallist
- Jul 28, 2014
- 7,147
- 5,773
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
With Greenwood playing more forward and Crisp potentially playing more wing/HB(I'd like him to play HFF tho he seems to run quite well and have an above average contested mark).
If we move sidebottom further up the ground, there potentially is a spot for De Goey as an inside midfielder.
Ideally we'd have:
Then we have:
Crisp, Greenwood, Broomhead can pinch in whenever required
This number of midfielders CAN be sustainable as long as we have a gameplan similar to the one GWS is using, which involves alot of run and carry through the corridor, fulling utilising the strength and depth or having a potent midfield.
GWS has 4 inside mids in best 22
1. Stephen Conigilio
2. Dylan Shiel
3. Callen Ward
4. Ryan Griffen
3 outside mids
1. Josh Kelly
2. Lachie Whitfield
3. Tom Scully
And a bunch of 1st rounders running around the midfield too
They have shown that it can work, as long as we don't play our 2010/2011 style of football where we rely on key forwards marking the ball down the line.
If we move sidebottom further up the ground, there potentially is a spot for De Goey as an inside midfielder.
Ideally we'd have:
- Scott Pendlebury
- Adam Treloar
- Taylor Adams
- Jordan De Goey
Then we have:
- Daniel Wells
- Steele Sidebottom
- Travis Varcoe
Crisp, Greenwood, Broomhead can pinch in whenever required
This number of midfielders CAN be sustainable as long as we have a gameplan similar to the one GWS is using, which involves alot of run and carry through the corridor, fulling utilising the strength and depth or having a potent midfield.
GWS has 4 inside mids in best 22
1. Stephen Conigilio
2. Dylan Shiel
3. Callen Ward
4. Ryan Griffen
3 outside mids
1. Josh Kelly
2. Lachie Whitfield
3. Tom Scully
And a bunch of 1st rounders running around the midfield too
They have shown that it can work, as long as we don't play our 2010/2011 style of football where we rely on key forwards marking the ball down the line.
- Apr 24, 2013
- 1,620
- 3,483
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
Really? Not something I've noticed to be honest. How long has he been rotating through for? That being the case, we're probably doing the right thing easing him in. Although part of me wants to see him get a full game at it, more time to pick up the rhythm, find his feet etc
Not sure who you sacrifice out of the midfield to give degoey more minutes (apart from Blair) if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Jdg needs to play where he's told . He had the chance to move up the pecking order in the pre season and he blew it
He's playing ok without setting the world on fire. He needs to persist and we need to persist with him
Jdg needs to play where he's told . He had the chance to move up the pecking order in the pre season and he blew it
He's playing ok without setting the world on fire. He needs to persist and we need to persist with him
Kirby
Executive GM of Europe
Veteran
Collingwood - Beau McCreery Player Sponsor 2023
10k Posts
Collingwood - Caleb Poulter Player Sponsor 2022
Collingwood - Josh Daicos Player Sponsor 2021
Collingwood - Tyler Brown Player Sponsor 2020
Collingwood Magpies - Brayden Sier 2019 Player Sponsor
Collingwood - Jaidyn Stephenson Player Sponsor 2018
High half forward is the closest thing to midfield anyway, except you don't contest the centre bounce.
Everyone of our players can't be in the midfield even though for about 16 of our team it's their preferred position.
this kid has to fight his way in there and force the coach's hand with strong performances. He has plenty of chances in games to win clearances from ballups and throw ins etc.
Everyone of our players can't be in the midfield even though for about 16 of our team it's their preferred position.
this kid has to fight his way in there and force the coach's hand with strong performances. He has plenty of chances in games to win clearances from ballups and throw ins etc.
Last edited:
De goey got some inside midfield minutes against Carlton and only a few last week. Otherwise he spends almost all of his time at half forward and a little on a wing (so not too close to the ball).
In comparison players like Broomhead, Sidebottom, Wells, Blair and even Maynard have played closer to the ball than him.
It wouldn't be that difficult for the coaches to rotate him on the ball a lot more than now. And despite what they seem to think, a half forward is very different to an inside mid and needs a very different skill set which De Goey only has in part.
De goey's biggest strenghts are his sense of anticipation of the ball drop from a ruck contest, his clearance game, his ability as a contested ball winner, his good hands in tight, his long but not greatly accurate kick forward and his tackling. He is in the mould of a Kennedy from the Swans.
We've stalled his development by playing him out of position. His promise in his first year, whenever he goes and racks up massive numbers in the VFL and in the pre season as an inside mid, have not been realised because he's not given a good run at playing on the ball in a game, let alone consecutive games to build his game there.
In comparison players like Broomhead, Sidebottom, Wells, Blair and even Maynard have played closer to the ball than him.
It wouldn't be that difficult for the coaches to rotate him on the ball a lot more than now. And despite what they seem to think, a half forward is very different to an inside mid and needs a very different skill set which De Goey only has in part.
De goey's biggest strenghts are his sense of anticipation of the ball drop from a ruck contest, his clearance game, his ability as a contested ball winner, his good hands in tight, his long but not greatly accurate kick forward and his tackling. He is in the mould of a Kennedy from the Swans.
We've stalled his development by playing him out of position. His promise in his first year, whenever he goes and racks up massive numbers in the VFL and in the pre season as an inside mid, have not been realised because he's not given a good run at playing on the ball in a game, let alone consecutive games to build his game there.
jackcass
Cancelled
10k Posts
Magpie Service Medal
Collingwood - Josh Daicos Player Sponsor 2021
Collingwood - Tyler Brown Player Sponsor 2020
Collingwood Magpies AFLW - Sarah Rowe Player Sponsor 2019
It could equally be argued that we've enhanced his development, giving him a more well rounded game.
Of our more likely mids, Crisp is the only player he could challenge for a more permanent role in the midfield rotation. He's certainly not going to force Pendles, Adams, Treloar, or Wells out of there. Nothing JDG has done to date suggests he would currently offer more than Crisp in that role. Crisp also brings an important run-with capacity to the role that JDG doesn't exhibit.
So that begs the question, why the rush?
Our current forward structure only further restricts his opportunity for midfield time so can't see anything changing until we change the structure by including Cox or Reid (when available) or at a minimum Crocker. That would at least allow JDG and Crisp to be waxing HFF - midfield.
I'm not just thinking about what's better for him but also what's better for the team. Having Wells, Sidebottom, Broomhead spend more time at half forward rather than on the ball is beneficial for us. Having De Goey going the other way is beneficial too. We did suffer in the middle of the Brisbane game when they came back and were dominating clearances with Beams and Zorko – it was a prime moment to try to give our top inside mids a rest (Adams, Pendles, Treloar who I agree should have first priority on any time on the ball) and bring a young clearance player like De Goey in.
Last edited:
- Apr 24, 2013
- 1,620
- 3,483
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
Yep sorry, thought you were talking about Degoey. My bad.
jackcass
Cancelled
10k Posts
Magpie Service Medal
Collingwood - Josh Daicos Player Sponsor 2021
Collingwood - Tyler Brown Player Sponsor 2020
Collingwood Magpies AFLW - Sarah Rowe Player Sponsor 2019
Yeah, I'm not wedded to either side of the debate and would certainly like to see him getting some time in the guts, even with our shorter structure. Sadly for him, if he hadn't had the preseason mishap he likely would have been in the midfield group round 1 and given time to cement his role in there in subsequent rounds. Not suggesting his misdemeanour is in any way influencing selection decisions, just that when he did return team requirements locked him into HF and we have seen the introduction of Wells which provides even more competition.
I want Degoey to get Crisps midfield tome with Crisp goingbto a back flank.
Everyone needs to just chill out about his midfield minutes... The same thing happened with Adams 3 years ago. Everybody hanging s**t and saying he's no good in the back line. Same with pretty much any player. He needs to earn his stripes because he's not going to make us a better team if he is playing in the midfield over one of our other pure mids.
For what it's worth too, when Blair was in the middle he was actually very effective. It's too bad 95% of you are so blinded that you couldn't see that.
For what it's worth too, when Blair was in the middle he was actually very effective. It's too bad 95% of you are so blinded that you couldn't see that.
Blair was effective as an ashtray on a motorbike
Apex36
Hall of Famer
- Mar 26, 2014
- 39,081
- 81,601
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
So effective that he got dropped. He did about 2 good things all day, please don't act as if he played well.
- Status
