Judd Vs Chapman

[pharoah]

He's got an aura because supporters and especially commentators overrate almost every aspect of his game. And his impact on them.

Of course a fantastic player, but he's not top of the pile.

the guy has single handedly lifted the blues from the depths of despair, consecutive wooden spoons and he with his leadership has taken them to the last 2 finals campaigns, without his presence on the filed the blues young midfield and be waning for a cry out to someone to lead them.
Judd is the player i would choose time and time again.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

the guy has single handedly lifted the blues from the depths of despair, consecutive wooden spoons and he with his leadership has taken them to the last 2 finals campaigns, without his presence on the filed the blues young midfield and be waning for a cry out to someone to lead them.
Judd is the player i would choose time and time again.

Perfect example, thankyou. I would probably take Judd of the two if starting from nought also, but we have Chapman to thank for giving the rest of the side a huge reality check in early 2007, we know what happened after that. That is leadership also.

 

[ashs35]

You weren't talking about how they'd be remembered but who would be remembered longer.

Well it's obviously impossible to tell, as long as there is AFL though Ablett senior will be remembered, but my initial point was that brownlow medals count for nothing when comparing players ability, wasn't necessarily a shot at Judd, just making the point that because Judd has won 2 brownlows doesn't make him a better player than Chapman, which is not to say that Chappy is better than Judd either.

 

[LongBomb]

As great as Judd is I would not swap him for Paul Chapman. Chapman is the living spirit of our club and the best big game player player in the competition bar none.

Chapman stood up and dragged his side over the line in the 2009 GF.
He was the difference that day between a premiership and despair.

This is something Judd has never managed to do.

 

[bluepride]

As great as Judd is I would not swap him for Paul Chapman. Chapman is the living spirit of our club and the best big game player player in the competition bar none.

Chapman stood up and dragged his side over the line in the 2009 GF.
He was the difference that day between a premiership and despair.

This is something Judd has never managed to do.

 

[Bring back Moloney]

the guy has single handedly lifted the blues from the depths of despair, consecutive wooden spoons and he with his leadership has taken them to the last 2 finals campaigns, without his presence on the filed the blues young midfield and be waning for a cry out to someone to lead them.
Judd is the player i would choose time and time again.

Has it really ALL been Judd??? No doubting he's a superstar, and a terrific leader, but come on, Carlton had 3 consecutive #1 draft picks! They have some pretty handy talent. To say that Carlton would be still in despair without him is a bit of a stretch!

 

[Roby]

Poor old Bobblehead gets constantly underrated. I don't know what he has to do, saved Geelong's ass on so many occasions. May even more than Gary, in the big games that is. Has the best lob kick in the AFL.

I guess he can always be happy he has two premierships and a legitimate Normie.

 

[bluepride]

I guess he can always be happy he has two premierships and a legitimate Normie.

I have no idea why you would bring up Luke Hodges illegitimate norm smith that he took from ablett.

No idea whyd youd bring that into a thread with Judd and Chapman, hodge isnt apart of this.

 

[Geelongsince1984]

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this too

 

[bluepride]

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Casual left foot kick to basically seal the game when the momentum was well and truly with the lions.

 

[maryjames]

Poor old Bobblehead gets constantly underrated. I don't know what he has to do, saved Geelong's ass on so many occasions. May even more than Gary, in the big games that is. Has the best lob kick in the AFL.

I guess he can always be happy he has two premierships and a legitimate Normie.

Great post..

 

[MOONEY 21]

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Casual left foot kick to basically seal the game when the momentum was well and truly with the lions.

was that in a grand final? or in a game that even mattered?

errrr........no.

 

[Roby]

I have no idea why you would bring up Luke Hodges illegitimate norm smith that he took from ablett.

No idea whyd youd bring that into a thread with Judd and Chapman, hodge isnt apart of this.

I don't know, do you?

 

[bluepride]

I don't know, do you?

I have no idea whyd you bring up Luke Hodges dodgy norm smith when we are talking about Chris Judd and Paul Chapman.

 

[PendlesPremiers]

Across their careers they're so similar- freakishly similar- that it's tricky to pick a winner.

Statistically across their careers: They've played the same amount of games, average the same amount of kicks, and, for those who care, average the same Dream Team score (well, 86.7 to 86.6).

Their achievements have simply been due to the calibre of their teams. When Juddy was with Cousins, Cox and Kerr, he won a Premiership. When Chappy was with GAj, Bartel and Selwood, he won two.

So I'm going to give this one to Chappy, simply because he is a far better user of the ball. 81% disposal efficiency compared to 65% this season, and much more importantly across their careers, Chappy's managed to kick 92 goals more while kicking 5 less behinds. Superstar.

 

[Butera]

So Chapman is the hard at in contested ball winner of the two, aside from kicks and handballs, some interesting stats.

Averages (league ranking)

First possesion - Judd 9 (1) - Chapman 3.1 (89)
Clearences - Judd 7.6 (3) - Chapman 3.4 (73)
Contested Possesions - Judd 15.8 (5) - Chapman 7.3 (100+)

Other Important stats

Goals - Judd 0.5 (100+) - Chapman 1.6 (39)
Inside 50's - Judd 4.2 (50) - Chapman 2.7 (100+)
Rebound 50's - Judd 1.4 (100+) - Chapman 2.1 (100+)

Interesting....

I'd take Judd thanks

 

[Blues_Man]

I love modern footy, it doesn't matter if an award was deserved or not, the mere act of receiving it means the recipient is beyond criticism.

Last year's Brownlow medal was the least worthy winner I can remember. Swan was clearly extremely unlucky. Even Woewodin in 2000 had a great year, certainly a better year than Golden Balls had.

Lol Swan didn't even come second ....suck it up and move on ..most Pies supporters have .

 

[The Speaker]

The question was not "Who is better?" but "Who would you prefer at your club?".

The answer is Chapman.

 

[Pie eyed]

So Chapman is the hard at in contested ball winner of the two, aside from kicks and handballs, some interesting stats.

Averages (league ranking)

First possesion - Judd 9 (1) - Chapman 3.1 (89)
Clearences - Judd 7.6 (3) - Chapman 3.4 (73)
Contested Possesions - Judd 15.8 (5) - Chapman 7.3 (100+)

Other Important stats

Goals - Judd 0.5 (100+) - Chapman 1.6 (39)
Inside 50's - Judd 4.2 (50) - Chapman 2.7 (100+)
Rebound 50's - Judd 1.4 (100+) - Chapman 2.1 (100+)

Interesting....

I'd take Judd thanks

You have to say that because you sold the farm.

 

[PendlesPremiers]

So Chapman is the hard at in contested ball winner of the two, aside from kicks and handballs, some interesting stats.

Averages (league ranking)

First possesion - Judd 9 (1) - Chapman 3.1 (89)
Clearences - Judd 7.6 (3) - Chapman 3.4 (73)
Contested Possesions - Judd 15.8 (5) - Chapman 7.3 (100+)

Other Important stats

Goals - Judd 0.5 (100+) - Chapman 1.6 (39)
Inside 50's - Judd 4.2 (50) - Chapman 2.7 (100+)
Rebound 50's - Judd 1.4 (100+) - Chapman 2.1 (100+)

Interesting....

I'd take Judd thanks

So you've shown that they have different styles/roles within their teams. Perhaps Carlton needs Judd more than Chapman, but with all outside factors being equal, what they do with the ball is much more important, with Chappy being a far superior user of the ball.

 

[blues4flag]

So you've shown that they have different styles/roles within their teams. Perhaps Carlton needs Judd more than Chapman, but with all outside factors being equal, what they do with the ball is much more important, with Chappy being a far superior user of the ball.

All outside factors aren't equal.

To compare disposal efficiency of an inside midfielder to Chapman is ridiculous. I'm sure you'd prefer him to Dane Swan who's efficiency is 67%.

 

[Military_man]

Did Ablett senior win a brownlow? nope, and yet he'll be remembered far longer than Judd.

Ablett will be also remembered for a incident that took place in a hotel room after he finished his AFL career. His career has been tarnished. Judd will always be remembered as one of the greatest to have ever played the game. He will win another brownlow and be nominated in a few more All Australian sides before he retires .

 

[Partridge]

the guy has single handedly lifted the blues from the depths of despair, consecutive wooden spoons and he with his leadership has taken them to the last 2 finals campaigns, without his presence on the filed the blues young midfield and be waning for a cry out to someone to lead them.
Judd is the player i would choose time and time again.

Single-handedly? You don't think Murphy or Gibbs or Simpson or Waite or Scotland have offered anything in the last 3 years? I seem to remember a full-forward kicking a few goals along the way too, not that gun full-forwards are hard to come by or anything.

 

[PendlesPremiers]

All outside factors aren't equal.

To compare disposal efficiency of an inside midfielder to Chapman is ridiculous. I'm sure you'd prefer him to Dane Swan who's efficiency is 67%.

I see how you slyly ignored the goals/points ratio there.

And nope, I'd take Swanny, as he's a prolific ball winner (with more contested possessions than Judd this year, albeit 1 more) with greater efficiency than Judd this season.... it's not Judd/Swan vs. Chapman, so don't bring him into it.

 

[Faz 2000]

I just don't think this matters very much.

Did any club have a choice? Do we want Chaps or Judd? Has the choice ever come up?

Every team in the league would love to have both.

* Note: if I recall correctly, Carlton traded the pick the Cats got Chaps with for Michael Mansfield.... so... we could have had Chapman and Judd. UGH. I am so glad that phase of Carlton's existence is over.