Speculation Liam Baker

[Jeremias]

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[THE_GUN]

No, it doesn't.

Reid

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

We will let him go with our blessing so it doesnt cause issues with the playing group as we have done in the past

But we will only if well compensated


Get ready to pay the price

Clearly you hate Liam Baker as a person then. If you liked him, you would let him leave cheaply

 

[Shueygod]

Are we going to actually pretend like Allen isn’t elite?

****ing hilarious.

 

[Morro]

Are we going to actually pretend like Allen isn’t elite?

******* hilarious.

He's had one good year and averaged just over 2 goals a game as the main banana FFS. Elite is reserved for the top echeleon of players of which he isnt , yet.

 

[Shueygod]

He's had one good year and averaged just over 2 goals a game as the main banana FFS. Elite is reserved for the top echeleon of players of which he isnt , yet.

He was 5th for KPF’s last season in goals kicked. That’s the top echelon in my book.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

He's had one good year and averaged just over 2 goals a game as the main banana FFS. Elite is reserved for the top echeleon of players of which he isnt , yet.

You havet watched him play. He often get double teamed and he's played in a team where the midfield has been beaten far more often than not. He's elite in the position he plays.

 

[Shueygod]

Regardless, the point is that just because a player may be fringe for West Coast doesn’t mean they would be for Richmond.

Richmond’s #1 KPF right now is that athletic ******* Balta, reckon all of our young KPF’s would comfortably crack that shit.

 

[Taylor]

Jake Waterman

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Jake Waterman

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26

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192cm

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92kg

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5.8

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is the one opposition sides should be chasing, I don't expect he is on anything north of 250/300k a season at the moment.

 

[Farang83150]

Jake Waterman is the one opposition sides should be chasing, I don't expect he is on anything north of 250/300k a season at the moment.

Done already:
Waterman is set to sign on until the end of 2025 with a trigger for a third year on a deal of about $400,000 a season plus incentives.

 

[Taylor]

Done already:
Waterman is set to sign on until the end of 2025 with a trigger for a third year on a deal of about $400,000 a season plus incentives.

Good security for him. And really, really cheap for his output for West Coast

 

[Obeanie1]

Good security for him. And really, really cheap for his output for West Coast

Plus incentives.

Suggest he is building a nice bonus this season with current form.

If his form continues also expect another extension with some front loading done in 2025 to further reward good form.

A good position to be in from the Eagles perspective and not unexpected as he was out with a long-term illness when he re-signed.

 

[THE_GUN]

Clearly you hate Liam Baker as a person then. If you liked him, you would let him leave cheaply

Dont ever say you loved Judd then

 

[Obeanie1]

Dont ever say you loved Judd then

Are you now saying Baker is at Judd levels?

Baker picked up in the rookie draft as a mature ager.

Paid unders for years assisting the club to trade in tallent and wins 3 flags.

And now he may want to return home.

Loyalty is a two way street isn't it?

Baker has paid his way in spades to the Richmond football club. Cheap to draft, cheap to retain and he has put in 110%. If he wants to return home at 27 to finish his career you as a supporter are demanding top picks or the club should block it? Somehow?

 

[THE_GUN]

Are you now saying Baker is at Judd levels?

You know exactly what i am saying - But for the purpose of some that have not followed it

* You must have hated Judd to demand such a high price of Kennedy + #3 + #20
Why didnt west Cost think about the culture and Judd at that time like you suggest we should

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You know exactly what i am saying - But for the purpose of some that have not followed it

* You must have hated Judd to demand such a high price of Kennedy + #3 + #20
Why didnt west Cost think about the culture and Judd at that time like you suggest we should

Oh im being sarcastic. Sorry, not coming across fully perhaps?

 

[jthanos]

Are you now saying Baker is at Judd levels?

Baker picked up in the rookie draft as a mature ager.

Paid unders for years assisting the club to trade in tallent and wins 3 flags.

And now he may want to return home.

Loyalty is a two way street isn't it?

Baker has paid his way in spades to the Richmond football club. Cheap to draft, cheap to retain and he has put in 110%. If he wants to return home at 27 to finish his career you as a supporter are demanding top picks or the club should block it? Somehow?

he wont walk to WC, if you want you have to pay a pick 10 or less, you know what you get with Baker- 200%, gut busting, game changer, big game winner, leader- guaranteed every week. Thtats why we want to keep him. A top 5 kid is no guarantee, many examples of this.

 

[Obeanie1]

You know exactly what i am saying - But for the purpose of some that have not followed it

* You must have hated Judd to demand such a high price of Kennedy + #3 + #20
Why didnt west Cost think about the culture and Judd at that time like you suggest we should

I disagree with what you are alluding to.

Judd cost the club pick 3. Not a rookie pick as a mature ager.

Judd was a Brownlow medalist, premiership captain and Norm Smith medalist.

Judd was the highest paid player at the Eagles and had been for some time. The best player in the competition when he requested a trade and club captain.

So yes the club and the entire competition had no issues with the trade price being super high. Every club in the comp wanted him.

Can you say any of that about Baker? No. You cant.

Baker has cost Richmond very little in picks or cap space and has paid back massive dividends from his loyal service to the club. He also a 27 year old role player who has helped deliver three flags likely with his best footy behind him. He owes the club nothing because he has already paid them back in spades. He isnt in the top 50 players and the Tigers need to rebuild through youth.

Loyality should be rewarded for players who made sacrifices for the good of the club. If that means allowing him to go home to a club of choice with a trade discount so be it. Thats the point.

 

[Obeanie1]

he wont walk to WC, if you want you have to pay a pick 10 or less, you know what you get with Baker- 200%, gut busting, game changer, big game winner, leader- guaranteed every week. Thtats why we want to keep him. A top 5 kid is no guarantee, many examples of this.

A top 10 pick is laughable. Neither WA club will pay that. Late 1st at best or a combo of 2nd round pick plus player that together is valued at a late first rounder.

That is a fair trade for a 27 yr old role player.

Only posters who think a top 10 pick is the outcome are delusional Tigers fans.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

I disagree with what you are alluding to.

Judd cost the club pick 3. Not a rookie pick as a mature ager.

Judd was a Brownlow medalist, premiership captain and Norm Smith medalist.

Judd was the highest paid player at the Eagles and had been for some time. The best player in the competition when he requested a trade and club captain.

So yes the club and the entire competition had no issues with the trade price being super high. Every club in the comp wanted him.

Can you say any of that about Baker? No. You cant.

Baker has cost Richmond very little in picks or cap space and has paid back massive dividends from his loyal service to the club. He also a 27 year old role player who has helped deliver three flags likely with his best footy behind him. He owes the club nothing because he has already paid them back in spades. He isnt in the top 50 players and the Tigers need to rebuild through youth.

Loyality should be rewarded for players who made sacrifices for the good of the club. If that means allowing him to go home to a club of choice with a trade discount so be it. Thats the point.

You could just as easily look at it the other way. Judd was going high in the draft whether West Coast picked him or not, and was a generational talent whether West Coast picked him or not. In the grand scheme of things, the 1 thing West Coast brought him that he couldn't have got at other teams is the fast track to success, coz realistically he pretty much completed football in 6 years.

Liam Baker on the other hand? If Richmond don't give him the shot, how long would he have still been playing state league? Is there a world where it never happens for him or it happens too late? Baker owes more to Richmond in that sense than Judd owes to West Coast, coz Baker's future without Richmond is way more uncertain than Judd's without West Coast.

It's all moot regardless. The moment a player says that they want to be traded is the moment they go from being a human to being an asset. Every player understands this. The notion that Richmond are somehow in the wrong for doing what's best for Richmond or that Richmond players will be salty because Richmond are doing what's best for Richmond is nonsense.

 

[Obeanie1]

You could just as easily look at it the other way. Judd was going high in the draft whether West Coast picked him or not, and was a generational talent whether West Coast picked him or not. In the grand scheme of things, the 1 thing West Coast brought him that he couldn't have got at other teams is the fast track to success, coz realistically he pretty much completed football in 6 years.

Liam Baker on the other hand? If Richmond don't give him the shot, how long would he have still been playing state league? Is there a world where it never happens for him or it happens too late? Baker owes more to Richmond in that sense than Judd owes to West Coast, coz Baker's future without Richmond is way more uncertain than Judd's without West Coast.

It's all moot regardless. The moment a player says that they want to be traded is the moment they go from being a human to being an asset. Every player understands this. The notion that Richmond are somehow in the wrong for doing what's best for Richmond or that Richmond players will be salty because Richmond are doing what's best for Richmond is nonsense.

And yet several Richmond people have already said that if Dusty wanted to move to the Suns they would understand and have no issues. Dusty has given so much joy to the club they are forever grateful and would understand.

Pretty much totally refutes what you are saying above doesnt it?

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

And yet several Richmond people have already said that if Dusty wanted to move to the Suns they would understand and have no issues. Dusty has given so much joy to the club they are forever grateful and would understand.

Pretty much totally refutes what you are saying above doesnt it?

A player who's 33 in a month's time so would have **** all trade value even if he wasn't an UFA (which he is) so Richmond can't do anything about it if he did want to leave? Idk what you think you're refuting, but it isn't what I am saying above.

 

[Obeanie1]

A player who's 33 in a month's time so would have heck all trade value even if he wasn't an UFA (which he is) so Richmond can't do anything about it if he did want to leave? Idk what you think you're refuting, but it isn't what I am saying above.

So you dont agree the wishes of loyal sevants of the club are respected and they are looked after?

And if a loyal servant does want to play out their careers back home the club wont be super aggressive at the trade table. And just might agree to take slight unders at the trade table acknowledging the loyal service provided?

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

So you dont agree the wishes of loyal sevants of the club are respected and they are looked after?

And if a loyal servant does want to play out their careers back home the club wont be super aggressive at the trade table. And just might agree to take slight unders at the trade table acknowledging the loyal service provided?

I don't think that will or should happen, especially when the player is getting the biggest contract of their career. If we're talking like Hawthorns geriatric squad all going Brisbane or Gaz Jr finishing his career at Geelong (even then Gold Coast actually negotiated tougher than they usually do), that's a different story. But in those examples, the players are that old that there's no trade value to begin with.

I'll use Freo as the example just because the figures are more known there. So let's say he goes Freo. According to Cal, Freo offered Baker 5 years, which is more than Richmond's 4 years (Richmond having made all the noise about how desperate they are to keep him + potentially offering him captaincy). If I'm Richmond and Baker is leaving for a lucrative 5 year deal, you're damn right I'm saying "if he's worth that deal, he's worth not taking the piss at the trade table for".

That doesn't mean going full Dodoro and spending a week fussing over whose future 4th goes where, but that also doesn't mean accepting unders just as a "good bloke" tax.

 

[THE_GUN]

I disagree with what you are alluding to.
ood of the club. If that means allowing him to go home to a club of choice with a trade discount so be it. Thats the point.

Now this is deflection 101

Nobody is comparing ability of Baker v Judd and YOU KNOW THAT !!

Please dont make me go back and quote all the post about why not letting a player leave ruining culture and disrespecting the player on what he has given to the club posts you made

 

[THE_GUN]

You could just as easily look at it the other way. Judd was going high in the draft whether West Coast picked him or not, and was a generational talent whether West Coast picked him or not. In the grand scheme of things, the 1 thing West Coast brought him that he couldn't have got at other teams is the fast track to success, coz realistically he pretty much completed football in 6 years.

Liam Baker on the other hand? If Richmond don't give him the shot, how long would he have still been playing state league? Is there a world where it never happens for him or it happens too late? Baker owes more to Richmond in that sense than Judd owes to West Coast, coz Baker's future without Richmond is way more uncertain than Judd's without West Coast.

It's all moot regardless. The moment a player says that they want to be traded is the moment they go from being a human to being an asset. Every player understands this. The notion that Richmond are somehow in the wrong for doing what's best for Richmond or that Richmond players will be salty because Richmond are doing what's best for Richmond is nonsense.

Wow great post and from somebody out west

You will be called a Vicflp now