Game Day Marsh Series- Matchday Discussion Collingwood@Richmond(Norm Minns Oval - 4:10PM)

[Snoop Dog]

Interested to see how we do go in against the Saints. Mihocek is a definite starter, as is Grundy.

There's no way we play two of Cox, Cameron and Reid. Do we have another look at Cameron already knowing largely what Cox brings? Or do we name both and sub one for the other at half time?

Liked the look of Cameron but when Cox is on, he's on.

I actually wondered if they were keen to look a the structure of 4 talls mid / fwd and how it played out - Grundy in for Reid and maybe play the other 3 tall blokes as per Sunday. Different to last year but Buckley may be thinking about given it worked yesterday.

 

[grayza2018]

Excuse my ignorance as I have been having a break from bigfooty, but why did Tom Wilson and Brayden Sier not play?

Sier copped a head knock last week, was named as an emergency on Thursday, maybe he wasn't quite ready?

Wilson maybe just too far down the queue

 

[Pistol Night]

Sier copped a head knock last week, was named as an emergency on Thursday, maybe he wasn't quite ready?

Wilson maybe just too far down the queue

Good problem to have. Thought he was good against Carlton

 

[DaVe86]

Cameron/Cox rotate centre ruck and fwd and Grundy as the tallest centre square midfielder in the AFL/boundary ruck ? He is a clearance machine.......

LOL

I went to a training session last month and Grundy was actually playing as a rover and Cameron was up against Lynch.

It was completely ineffective. As a ruckman, he is a terrific clearance player. His skill is to tap it down, and follow it up with a tackle or second possession. A lot of his clearance numbers are actually from him grabbing out of the ruck and booting it.

But playing as a pure midfielder, he is too tall and slow and immobile to go with other mids.

In general play, he is also very effective because he out-works his opposition ruckman. But if you had Grundy up against a normal midfielder, they would out-run him and get very dangerous in general play. Grundy wouldn't have the tank or speed to go with them.

 

[Horaceg]

Ok, got to watch the last quarter now so here are a few thoughts;

WHE - will be fine. Is a gun and we need him in the side linking the front and back halves. Bucks has said we will be more attacking this year, and WHE is essential to us generating faster ball movement, especially on the wider MCG. Too much emphasis is being placed on a praccy match.

Keane - to my mind should be up for selection ahead of Murphy. Murphy is a lovely kick but still too light and too slow. If we need a third tall defender, alongside Moore and Roughy, and Shaz hasn’t come up we can keep Keane on speed dial. Development this year will be great to watch.

Rantall - contradicting what I just said about putting too much emphasis on praccy matches, I’m ready to go the early call on Rantall. He will make it. The question is how far will he go?

Bianco - didn’t see enough, but kicking was as advertised.

Phillips - not a great praccy match, but narrow grounds are not his go. He’ll be fine..

Cameron - very promising, would like to see more impact as a forward, but then again our kicking into the forward line was worse than abysmal. Should convert at a very high rate which is important because our small forwards are so good.

De Goey - is the difference in midfield. Must play nearly 50-50 for us to be competitive at clearances this year. Totally changes the way we look in the midfield because he is proactive rather than reactive.

Daicos - used it well when he had it, but I didn’t see the impact that many others apparently saw. Not yet convinced he has, or will, make the leap.

Atu - not ready.

Reid - depth.

Tyler - developing but not ready.

Cal - already a very good, clever player and if he can develop further will be a gun.

I have been very bullish on Daicos, there was something there in this game but I tend to agree that he needs to impact more. He has to get his hands on it more and take his game to another level. There were signs but not enough for me. I still think he will take the next step this year.

JDG, when he goes, he goes.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I went to a training session last month and Grundy was actually playing as a rover and Cameron was up against Lynch.

It was completely ineffective. As a ruckman, he is a terrific clearance player. His skill is to tap it down, and follow it up with a tackle or second possession. A lot of his clearance numbers are actually from him grabbing out of the ruck and booting it.

But playing as a pure midfielder, he is too tall and slow and immobile to go with other mids.

In general play, he is also very effective because he out-works his opposition ruckman. But if you had Grundy up against a normal midfielder, they would out-run him and get very dangerous in general play. Grundy wouldn't have the tank or speed to go with them.

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!!!!!!!

If Grundy has improvement in him (more effective ruck taps) then that’s only bad news for the rest of the competition.

Leave him where he is!!!!! If he’s having a bad day then we have perfectly suitable backups. Otherwise he should spend 85 percent of his time on the ball, 5 percent floating around the ground doing whatever he wants, and 10 percent on the bench.

 

[TradeDraft]

Adam's is in bit of Trouble with that Bump

 

[Soups]

Adam's is in bit of Trouble with that Bump

Lol what for? If that’s getting sighted so should Grimes.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Adam's is in bit of Trouble with that Bump

Says who?

 

[TradeDraft]

Says who?

What I saw of the Incident

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[Apex36]

Excuse my ignorance as I have been having a break from bigfooty, but why did Tom Wilson and Brayden Sier not play?

Because they were not selected in the squad

 

[Apex36]

Looks like a perfectly fair bump. If there was no head contact I can’t see any possible reason for the MRO to step in.

 

[left at home]

They're going fishing?

Yes, they need a bit of relaxation before the season starts properly

 

[sideswipe]

Looks like a perfectly fair bump. If there was no head contact I can’t see any possible reason for the MRO to step in.

Agree - even if it was deemed to be of sufficient impact to be reportable (don't think it was), at worst it would be assessed as intentional, low impact to the body. A fine at worst. And the end of shepherding as we know it.

 

[Good_Old]

Just looks like the Twitter of a radio channel trying to drum up interest to me.

 

[sideswipe]

Just looks like the Twitter of a radio channel trying to drum up interest to me.

TradeDraft was right. A fine for careless high contact low impact. How a deliberate decision to make contact in the form of a shepherd was deemed careless seems weird. But I guess he takes it.

 

[legendstatus]

Ok, got to watch the last quarter now so here are a few thoughts;

WHE - will be fine. Is a gun and we need him in the side linking the front and back halves. Bucks has said we will be more attacking this year, and WHE is essential to us generating faster ball movement, especially on the wider MCG. Too much emphasis is being placed on a praccy match.

Keane - to my mind should be up for selection ahead of Murphy. Murphy is a lovely kick but still too light and too slow. If we need a third tall defender, alongside Moore and Roughy, and Shaz hasn’t come up we can keep Keane on speed dial. Development this year will be great to watch.

Rantall - contradicting what I just said about putting too much emphasis on praccy matches, I’m ready to go the early call on Rantall. He will make it. The question is how far will he go?

Bianco - didn’t see enough, but kicking was as advertised.

Phillips - not a great praccy match, but narrow grounds are not his go. He’ll be fine..

Cameron - very promising, would like to see more impact as a forward, but then again our kicking into the forward line was worse than abysmal. Should convert at a very high rate which is important because our small forwards are so good.

De Goey - is the difference in midfield. Must play nearly 50-50 for us to be competitive at clearances this year. Totally changes the way we look in the midfield because he is proactive rather than reactive.

Daicos - used it well when he had it, but I didn’t see the impact that many others apparently saw. Not yet convinced he has, or will, make the leap.

Atu - not ready.

Reid - depth.

Tyler - developing but not ready.

Cal - already a very good, clever player and if he can develop further will be a gun.

Agree with most

Never a big fan of Phillips so rather see a new kid or look to have WHE on the wing to fit Elliot, JDG, Stevo & Thomas up forward or 3 only

Think Reid is still an option (really needs to stick his nearly marks though)


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[TradeDraft]

Looks like a perfectly fair bump. If there was no head contact I can’t see any possible reason for the MRO to step in.

It all depends on the Medical Report

 

[TradeDraft]

Bianco - didn’t see enough, but kicking was as advertised.

Think only had 3-4 Touches but all of them where well used.

 

[Jen2310]

they never even did a concussion test, Balme said that wasn't even a concern.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

It all depends on the Medical Report

He's free to play.

 

[sr36]

Buckley singled him out for praise post match. That’s a bog standard Phillips game and he’s just an average user that will be there come Rd 1.

Agree. Disposal was a bit below normal, but a preseason par - the mediocre users, particularly when its ball drop related, are always at their worst early in the year.

I did initially go WTF with 'bog standard' until I realised you weren't talking about best on ground.

 

[TradeDraft]

He's free to play.

Must of come back good. Lucky for Adams

 

[35Daicos]

Must of come back good. Lucky for Adams

He still gets a $2000 fine, so he may not feel that lucky!

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