News Media Thread, 2023: Insightful, Inciteful and Incomptent

[TheNewAnchor]

Well we don't exactly have an abundance of good players 20-24 so it's not like he's left a trail of success behind him.

A bit harsh, the guy's established himself as one of our best ever onballers, stuck with us when he could have easily uprooted and buggered off back to Victoria. Even the tragic circumstances associated with his family were handled impeccably. Like everyone else, I wouldn't have a clue what sort of a coach he'll make going forward, but his resume to date suggests he's definitely worth of a shot.

 

[Bender_]

I heard he's also played over 200 games and won a Norm Smith - Dark Sharks can you please confirm?

 

[the harry]

A bit harsh, the guy's established himself as one of our best ever onballers, stuck with us when he could have easily uprooted and buggered off back to Victoria. Even the tragic circumstances associated with his family were handled impeccably. Like everyone else, I wouldn't have a clue what sort of a coach he'll make going forward, but his resume to date suggests he's definitely worth of a shot.

I'm not saying he'll be bad or has been bad. It's just in an environment where people cry of a boys club and the need for outside voices, it seems like an appointment that people are too comfortable with.

What are the odds the best person for the role happens to have been on our playing list 5 weeks ago?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I'm not saying he'll be bad or has been bad. It's just in an environment where people cry of a boys club and the need for outside voices, it seems like an appointment that people are too comfortable with.

What are the odds the best person for the role happens to have been on our playing list 5 weeks ago?

If you make it “the best person for the role who’d also be available and interested in the role”, I think the odds are pretty good.

 

[Monocle]

Agree with this.

Anyone that's worked corporate has seen this plenty of times. Hire from within and its a status-quo scenario. External hires usually deliver the better results.

WC need to get comfortable with being uncomfortable.

Touche......

Hopefully the new CEO can bring about said change.

 

[ROO DOGG]

Well we don't exactly have an abundance of good players 20-24 so it's not like he's left a trail of success behind him.

And the mistakes of our recruiters is somehow Shuey's fault now?

 

[ROO DOGG]

If you make it “the best person for the role who’d also be available and interested in the role”, I think the odds are pretty good.

I would take Luke Shuey over Jarrad Brennan any day of the week and twice on Friday.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Touche......

Hopefully the new CEO can bring about said change.

I would say we did that by going Simpson at the end of 2013…

And Malthouse at the end of ‘89

I’m confident we’ll do the right thing with the CEO. Every CEO and their dog that likes footy would want to lead west coast

 

[bzparkes]

I would take Luke Shuey over Jarrad Brennan any day of the week and twice on Friday.

Not sure what Brennan's doing these days but he was damn good at grabbing the ball one-handed:

 

[new breed]

Channel 7 Grand Final ( midnight ) replays Eagles 2018 followed by 1992 Grand final.
Pretty late but ....

 

[MerryHell]

Still get goosebumps.

Top shelf narrative and production quality this one, gets me so emotional every time!

 

[Woobla Stainz]

If remember correctly, Shuey and Hurn have both completed the AFLs level 4 coaching programs. Not many players have. So a move into coaching has been on the cards for some years not just a random idea.

 

[ROO DOGG]

Not sure what Brennan's doing these days but he was damn good at grabbing the ball one-handed:

Did i get the wrong Brennan?

 

[Ishmael_]

Agree with this.

Anyone that's worked corporate has seen this plenty of times. Hire from within and its a status-quo scenario. External hires usually deliver the better results.
WC need to get comfortable with being uncomfortable.

Ya this doesn't align with my experiences at all. Maybe at a c-suite level, but at lower rungs institutional memory counts for something - which is where Shuey's position will be.

I agree we need fresh blood, but that needs to be higher up. I just can't manage to work myself up over Shuey getting some junior development grad position.

 

[Keys]

Did i get the wrong Brennan?

Jacob is the Brennan you were looking for

 

[ROO DOGG]

Jacob is the Brennan you were looking for

Oops

 

[Frederico_WA]

Ya this doesn't align with my experiences at all. Maybe at a c-suite level, but at lower rungs institutional memory counts for something - which is where Shuey's position will be.

I agree we need fresh blood, but that needs to be higher up. I just can't manage to work myself up over Shuey getting some junior development grad position.

Haha yeah I can't understand anyone getting worked up over it.

I see sense in what you're saying too. He's a product of the Simmo system so is one of the best to carry that on.

Nissy 2.0 will hopefully be the new thinking we need.

 

[southcoast]

Thought this one may have attracted interest.

Pies mismanage their list, offload players left right and centre (while still recruiting others), send Grundy to Demons and contractually pay part of his salary for a long term to make home more attractive to Dees and now want to park Grundys salary off books.



Sure, seems legit.




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[Dylan82]

Thought this one may have attracted interest.

Pies mismanage their list, offload players left right and centre (while still recruiting others), send Grundy to Demons and contractually pay part of his salary for a long term to make home more attractive to Dees and now want to park Grundys salary off books.

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Sure, seems legit.

Collingwood are entitled to politely inquire, but Sydney and Melbourne are also entitled to politely tell them to f*** off.


Even if the Magpies package pick 17/18 as a carrot in a salary dump, I can't see Sydney or Melbourne being able to take on that additional cost into their respective caps without dumping players.

 

[southcoast]

Collingwood are entitled to politely inquire, but Sydney and Melbourne are also entitled to politely tell them to f*** off.


Even if the Magpies package pick 17/18 as a carrot in a salary dump, I can't see Sydney or Melbourne being able to take on that additional cost into their respective caps without dumping players.

I interpret article as Pies will continue to pay Grundy as per contract with BG but the $ used will be outside their cap.

AKA - they, in effect, have extra $350k to spend on salaries.


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[Dylan82]

I interpret article as Pies will continue to pay Grundy as per contract with BG but the $ used will be outside their cap.

AKA - they, in effect, have extra $350k to spend on salaries.

Good luck for them if that's what they are trying.

It's a payment to a player - can only come under the salary cap.


If not, then may as well get rid of it altogether.

 

[bzparkes]

Good luck for them if that's what they are trying.

It's a payment to a player - can only come under the salary cap.


If not, then may as well get rid of it altogether.

Haha yeah, surely the AFL will make them pay it under the soft cap, right?..

 

[southcoast]

Good luck for them if that's what they are trying.

It's a payment to a player - can only come under the salary cap.


If not, then may as well get rid of it altogether.

Certainly not supporting Pies - just surprised the attempt didn’t seem to attract much attention here.

If successful - does open up huge implications across the league.

Cannot see it getting up but VFL and Pies so anything is possible.


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[Keys]

I interpret article as Pies will continue to pay Grundy as per contract with BG but the $ used will be outside their cap.

AKA - they, in effect, have extra $350k to spend on salaries.


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I think you’ve misinterpreted that last paragraph

Grundys contract is $900k plus per year until 2027 which was obviously a big chunk of Collingwood’s salary cap and the reason they traded him out

To get most of his salary off their books they agreed to pay $350k per year which still opened up ~$600k per year for them. It’s that $600k the article is referring to as salary cap relief

The AFL is many things but it isn’t going to allow any portion of a current players standard contract to sit outside the cap. It’ll be up to Collingwood, Melbourne and Sydney to squabble amongst themselves how much of Grundys contract sits within each of their respective salary caps

 

[shooshka]

I think you’ve misinterpreted that last paragraph

Grundys contract is $900k plus per year until 2027 which was obviously a big chunk of Collingwood’s salary cap and the reason they traded him out

To get most of his salary off their books they agreed to pay $350k per year which still opened up ~$600k per year for them. It’s that $600k the article is referring to as salary cap relief

The AFL is many things but it isn’t going to allow any portion of a current players standard contract to sit outside the cap. It’ll be up to Collingwood, Melbourne and Sydney to squabble amongst themselves how much of Grundys contract sits within each of their respective salary caps

I think the pies are trying to argue that they made an agreement with Melbourne (to pay $350k p.a.) and that agreement can’t be on-traded.

Without seeing the agreement or knowing what is actually written it is impossible to know if that is a valid argument, however the pies do have form in this area (Treloar) so hopefully the AFL put them in their place.


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