NFNL Div 3 2019

[Stude289]

Dunno about that most sides in the AFL fail to perform after the bye.

Regardless every team playing each other twice is the way to go. If you double up against the 2 top teams compared to the 2 bottom it’s stupidly unfair.

Easy to fix, get out of Div 3 next year Div 1&2 will have 10 teams in each.

 

[Stinga]

Dunno about that most sides in the AFL fail to perform after the bye.

Regardless every team playing each other twice is the way to go. If you double up against the 2 top teams compared to the 2 bottom it’s stupidly unfair.

Div 2 has been playing with a compromised draw for a number of years but in the end you find the best teams are at the pointy end of the ladder by seasons end with the draw not playing a significant role in the final ladder positions.

 

[10571z]

Div 2 has been playing with a compromised draw for a number of years but in the end you find the best teams are at the pointy end of the ladder by seasons end with the draw not playing a significant role in the final ladder positions.

While the best team wins, it’s still unfair . If you play reservoir and lalor last year twice compared to South Morang and Panton Hill that’s a big swing

 

[MortlockWatcher]

I am on the look out for some old 'Football Records' from the Panton Hill Football League from the 1970s and 1980s.
Home and away or finals editions are fine. I would prefer hard copies but scans are fine as well.
Please message me if you can assist.

 

[Sports_Support]

Finding enough for 16 match payments and league fees is a lot easier that 18 rounds in lower divisions.

I can assure you, there is not a $12k profit home game hiding in the back half of the season for most clubs to cover 2 more matches.

Having 8 is an advantage, had the same chat with the SFNL CEO only on Tuesday... They have 10, 10, 8 & 8.

Their D3 & 4 cap is less than $50k and clubs are still getting in trouble financially.

 

[Sports_Support]

While the best team wins, it’s still unfair . If you play reservoir and lalor last year twice compared to South Morang and Panton Hill that’s a big swing

I agree, a balanced draw is the only way to go... I believe even the AFL should be 17 with 3 levels to the season but, that’s a separate discussion.

What I think is really unfair is finishing lower than sides that are on annual and historic payment plans at the detriment of being responsible to league fees - Basically playing for premiership points under a false economy and cheating the cap by using business crtitical funds as a credit account.

 

[Rusted nuts]

I agree, a balanced draw is the only way to go... I believe even the AFL should be 17 with 3 levels to the season but, that’s a separate discussion.

What I think is really unfair is finishing lower than sides that are on annual and historic payment plans at the detriment of being responsible to league fees - Basically playing for premiership points under a false economy and cheating the cap by using business crtitical funds as a credit account.

Interesting point, would Lalor have played for points last season after the rumoured debt to the NFNL built up in 2016/17 seasons? However I do believe there should be a cap restriction on clubs that aren’t financial. What is owed should be taken off the next seasons salary cap. However we should be trying to help clubs survive and thrive in this very difficult climate. Hopefully things start turning for the mustangs

 

[Sports_Support]

Interesting point, would Lalor have played for points last season after the rumoured debt to the NFNL built up in 2016/17 seasons? However I do believe there should be a cap restriction on clubs that aren’t financial. What is owed must be taken off that teams salary cap for the next season.

No rusted, all debts were paid prior to round 1.

And on that, I can cop ANY club having 1 bad year and playing catch up... More than that, you’re taking the piss at the competitions expense

 

[Sports_Support]

Interesting point, would Lalor have played for points last season after the rumoured debt to the NFNL built up in 2016/17 seasons? However I do believe there should be a cap restriction on clubs that aren’t financial. What is owed must be taken off that teams salary cap for the next season.

Premiership Points is the only currency that will be taken seriously in years 2 and 3... Year 1, reduce the cap and if that means you can’t compete, it means you can’t complete - But I’m believer that if you want to find a way, you will... whatever outcome that might be.

 

[10571z]

Premiership Points is the only currency that will be taken seriously in years 2 and 3... Year 1, reduce the cap and if that means you can’t compete, it means you can’t complete - But I’m believer that if you want to find a way, you will... whatever outcome that might be.

You could easily say come finals if you aren’t finical your spot will be given to the next team who is.

I have no idea how much money the league is chasing? Is it that much of a problem?

 

[Sticksbradley]

Premiership Points is the only currency that will be taken seriously in years 2 and 3... Year 1, reduce the cap and if that means you can’t compete, it means you can’t complete - But I’m believer that if you want to find a way, you will... whatever outcome that might be.

Which clubs are you talking about?

 

[bertybeetle]

Finding enough for 16 match payments and league fees is a lot easier that 18 rounds in lower divisions.

I can assure you, there is not a $12k profit home game hiding in the back half of the season for most clubs to cover 2 more matches.

Having 8 is an advantage, had the same chat with the SFNL CEO only on Tuesday... They have 10, 10, 8 & 8.

Their D3 & 4 cap is less than $50k and clubs are still getting in trouble financially.

If your club cant afford spending over 18 games then good luck ever competing in division 2

 

[Stinga]

While the best team wins, it’s still unfair . If you play reservoir and lalor last year twice compared to South Morang and Panton Hill that’s a big swing

Yes potentially, but that's the system in place and clubs have to be strong across all 16 games. If they rely on a favorable draw for the extra games then they really aren't going to be a serious contender.

The AFL has been running on a compromised draw for more than 30 years, but in the end the cream rises to the top by seasons end.

 

[bertybeetle]

Yes potentially, but that's the system in place and clubs have to be strong across all 16 games. If they rely on a favorable draw for the extra games then they really aren't going to be a serious contender.

The AFL has been running on a compromised draw for more than 30 years, but in the end the cream rises to the top by seasons end.

agree if you cant beat the top teams and rely on playing a bottom team 3 times to win games you shouldn't be there in the first place

 

[Stude289]

If your club cant afford spending over 18 games then good luck ever competing in division 2

I think the problem will be that clubs have already divided the salary cap maximum over 16 rounds and if it changes to 18 rounds they will have to work out how to keep under the cap. Players take a cut or maybe play more on match payments?

 

[Sports_Support]

You could easily say come finals if you aren’t finical your spot will be given to the next team who is.

I have no idea how much money the league is chasing? Is it that much of a problem?

That’s a stick, not a solution.

Regardless if you owe one dollar or ten thousand / you meet the obligations.

If clubs that do are at a disadvantage of those that don’t then the league is supporting bad behaviour and helping them fudge the salary cap.

 

[Rusted nuts]

That’s a stick, not a solution.

Regardless if you owe one dollar or ten thousand / you meet the obligations.

If clubs that do are at a disadvantage of those that don’t then the league is supporting bad behaviour and helping them fudge the salary cap.

You are taking a very hard stance on this for a club president who was on there knees begging to the league and other clubs to let them drop a division for the survival of your club last year which I believe was the first time it’s happened in the NFL era. Personally I believe asking a club to play for zero points is absurd and would probably result in player walkouts and the possibility of clubs folding. The more teams we have thriving and a more even competition must be the aim of the league and I don’t think anybody wants to see teams getting belted by 30-40 goals, I’m sure you don’t or you would have stayed in div 2 and copped what was coming and then fought your way out. You have done a terrific job but there appears to be an agenda here.

 

[Sports_Support]

You are taking a very hard stance on this for a club president who was on there knees begging to the league and other clubs to let them drop a division for the survival of your club last year which I believe was the first time it’s happened in the NFL era. Personally I believe asking a club to play for zero points is absurd and would probably result in player walkouts and the possibility of clubs folding. The more teams we have thriving and a more even competition must be the aim of the league and I don’t think anybody wants to see teams getting belted by 30-40 goals, I’m sure you don’t or you would have stayed in div 2 and copped what was coming and then fought your way out. You have done a terrific job but there appears to be an agenda here.

If your club cant afford spending over 18 games then good luck ever competing in division 2

your comments mirror my exact stance... Majority of clubs are playing insolvent... because they are allowed to - continually.

I didn’t beg to go down, I made a conclusion Based on many facets, income vs. outgoing (including debt) being one of them... We couldn’t afford to be paying more than we could so we took our season of heartache to meet our obligations.

Won’t happen again if bad management is harboured by the NFNL - I’ll simply ask to be on a payment plan now and pay dividends to players we can only afford if we put our fees last

 

[Sports_Support]

You are taking a very hard stance on this for a club president who was on there knees begging to the league and other clubs to let them drop a division for the survival of your club last year which I believe was the first time it’s happened in the NFL era. Personally I believe asking a club to play for zero points is absurd and would probably result in player walkouts and the possibility of clubs folding. The more teams we have thriving and a more even competition must be the aim of the league and I don’t think anybody wants to see teams getting belted by 30-40 goals, I’m sure you don’t or you would have stayed in div 2 and copped what was coming and then fought your way out. You have done a terrific job but there appears to be an agenda here.

There is an agenda - I won’t allow my players, member, supporters or sponsors be hood winked by clumsy administrators

 

[10571z]

Is this even happening in the NFNL? How many clubs aren't paying league fees and rolling the debt over many years?

 

[Sticksbradley]

The power boys lodging plenty of clearances are any of them any good

 

[bertybeetle]

The power boys lodging plenty of clearances are any of them any good

the ex-umpire looks the goods

 

[10571z]

Laurimer look to have some more handy pickups. Both regular division 2 senior players.

 

[Pashn4footy]

How did praccy game go at Sydney cres guys? Why are they playing them already? Sports support how are the bloods' juniors going ?

 

[Sticksbradley]

How did praccy game go at Sydney cres guys? Why are they playing them already? Sports support how are the bloods' juniors going ?

Intra club?