Mega Thread Nick Daicos - Can he be the GTWEB? Part 2

[Fadge]

Oh it's "only because" of that - yes, in your objective and unbiased opinion. People couldn't simply rate Bontempelli's body of work at the same level or higher. I'll have to trust the most one-eyed Collingwood supporter on the site's appraisal of that.

Instead of the giant whinge and deflection above, you could simply argue Daicos' case in a fair manner and accept alternative opinions supported by their own facts. It shouldn't deeply offend you when people point out the level any other peer has been at. It doesn't mean anybody is saying your boy is shit.

Well when Player A has outperformed Player B in every season over the past 3 seasons, it's a decent stretch to argue that Player B has been better.

Of course Bontempelli's 'body of work' is higher - he's been on the scene for three times as long. But it doesn't change the fact his past 3 seasons have been inferior to Daicos.

 

[Shane Heard]

awwww....cmon shane....you can bait better than that

That’s just how I see him. They drag him down like rag doll every time. Thats not an admirable trait for a so called superstar of generation.


If he’s running free and receiving he’s a good offensive mid who creates space for others with quick disposal. That’s great.

Lots of players do that.

However….his defensive/ tackling/ smothering game is non existent. One day when he slows down at 28, pie fans will admit it and say he’s a liability.

I look forward to that day.

I’m a patient man.

 

[HeathySure]

Well the first stat is damning. How will this change Fadges opinion of Daicos as the wins start drying up.

some may say that the reason he hasnt played in a lot of games that we have lost by more than 20 points is because he is playing and making us better. Which is true.

 

[Mr Meow]

Well when Player A has outperformed Player B in every season over the past 3 seasons, it's a decent stretch to argue that Player B has been better.

Of course Bontempelli's 'body of work' is higher - he's been on the scene for three times as long. But it doesn't change the fact his past 3 seasons have been inferior to Daicos.

In your opinion. It's been disputed with facts, context and arguments for another player - and that's just among midfielders.

I'm referring to Bontempelli's body of work over the past 3 seasons.

It's fine for you to have an opinion. Passing it off as fact and dismissing every alternative as "fake news" is where you go to Trump areas.

 

[HeathySure]

That’s just how I see him. They drag him down like rag doll every time. Thats not an admirable trait for a so called superstar of generation.


If he’s running free and receiving he’s a good offensive mid who creates space for others with quick disposal. That’s great.

Lots of players do that.

However….his defensive/ tackling/ smothering game is non existent. One day when he slows down at 28, pie fans will admit it and say he’s a liability.

I look forward to that day.

I’m a patient man.

yeah na this is not true either. You need to watch more games

 

[Mynamesinuse]

some may say that the reason he hasnt played in a lot of games that we have lost by more than 20 points is because he is playing and making us better. Which is true.

All good players make teams better

 

[doppleganger]

Team of duds is a bit of a stretch

Team ratings had Pies 5th beat in 2023, 11th in 2024 and 8t in 2025.

Duds is harsh, but the ratings don't rate Pies.

I do think of all the finalists that Daicos has more license and importance than any other midfielder in any other team.Will be interesting to see how the Pies go this year.

2024 was Daicos' best season - according to ratings and coaches votes - when the Pies were mid table.

 

[Mr Meow]

Team ratings had Pies 5th beat in 2023, 11th in 2024 and 8t in 2025.

Duds is harsh, but the ratings don't rate Pies.

2024 was Daicos' best season - according to ratings and coaches votes - when the Pies were mid table.

It's also when he had the least vote stealers and load shared in midfield. These things have an influence.

 

[RPCB]

In your opinion. It's been disputed with facts, context and arguments for another player - and that's just among midfielders.

I'm referring to Bontempelli's body of work over the past 3 seasons.

It's fine for you to have an opinion. Passing it off as fact and dismissing every alternative as "fake news" is where you go to Trump areas.

Why bother with a person who can somehow accept that Nick Daicos is losing Copeland medal counts to Josh Daicos and a ruckman (in that same 2023-2025 time period), but can’t accept that not everyone sees him as the “undisputed” number two in the competition (even going as far to say that’s only because neutrals need someone to go up against Nick)?

 

[sr36]

It is a preference thing, if you prefer consistency and averages, Bont is your man, if you prefer being the best the most you go Daics.

If you can't decide and want a split, take finals performance and Daicos gets the nod as he has been consistently great in finals and Bont chalked up his single worst game of 2024 in his only final.

Bont is more complete - better in the air and defensively and more consistent with his ball use. Nick initiates more open play. I'd take the latter in a mid.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

Bont is more complete - better in the air and defensively and more consistent with his ball use. Nick initiates more open play. I'd take the latter in a mid.

You take the one that does everything. That is Bont.
Anderson Serong do what Daicos does without the fanfare.

 

[Fadge]

Why bother with a person who can somehow accept that Nick Daicos is losing Copeland medal counts to Josh Daicos and a ruckman (in that same 2023-2025 time period), but can’t accept that not everyone sees him as the “undisputed” number two in the competition (even going as far to say that’s only because neutrals need someone to go up against Nick)?

LOLOLOLOL.

So the player with 9 x top 4 finishes in the 3 main awards over the last three years (next best 5), including 2 wins and 3 runners up, isn't even an 'undisputed top 2 player' over that time?

GTWEBcos really has fried your brain.

 

[Dtennent94]

Why bother with a person who can somehow accept that Nick Daicos is losing Copeland medal counts to Josh Daicos and a ruckman (in that same 2023-2025 time period), but can’t accept that not everyone sees him as the “undisputed” number two in the competition (even going as far to say that’s only because neutrals need someone to go up against Nick)?

1. Cripps/Bont
2. Bont/Cripps
3. Serong
4. Butters
5. Sam Darcy
6. Not worth continuing

Crippa with 3 excellent to GOAT seasons in the last few years, getting heavily disrespected in this thread.

 

[sr36]

You take the one that does everything. That is Bont.
Anderson Serong do what Daicos does without the fanfare.

You take the player that has a bigger impact on games. If it was about the bloke who can do everything, there would be no argument, Adam Goodes would be the undisputed greatest of the modern era. With guys like Hird, Kouta and Goddard the others in the discussion. And mark and kick full forwards like Plugger and Dunstall would rate pretty lowly.

Unless you believe Bailey Dale is a top 3 player in the comp, we currently have no way of effectively measuring impact. So it will always be arguable and depend on what things players do that you consider the most valuable.

 

[RPCB]

LOLOLOLOL.

So the player with 9 x top 4 finishes in the 3 main awards over the last three years (next best 5), including 2 wins and 3 runners up, isn't even an 'undisputed top 2 player' over that time?

GTWEBcos really has fried your brain.

I didn’t say he wasn’t an undisputed top 2, I said that you don’t think anyone has had a comparable three year period to him.

 

[Fadge]

I didn’t say he wasn’t an undisputed top 2, I said that you don’t think anyone has had a comparable three year period to him.

Huh?

.... can’t accept that not everyone sees him as the “undisputed” number two in the competition

He's fried your brain.

 

[RPCB]

Huh?

He's fried your brain.

Yes, exactly.

There are more than two players you could have in the top 2. Over the 2023-2025 period, Lachie Neale has won one Brownlow (Nick Daicos came third, only 1 vote ahead of 4th and 5th), Patrick Cripps has won a Brownlow medal (7 votes ahead of Nick) and Matt Rowell won the Brownlow last year (7 votes ahead of Nick). Heck, even Collingwood rated Nick Daicos behind Darcy Cameron last year and behind Josh Daicos in 2023. But you said that Nick Daicos….. daylight…. Bont is in your top 2.

I think that being the top contributor in 94% of Carlton main board thread has fried your brain.

 

[sr36]

I think that being the top contributor in 94% of Carlton main board thread has fried your brain.

There's no doubt that thinking about Carlton is a dangerous activity that could cause irreperable damage.

 

[Fadge]

Yes, exactly.

There are more than two players you could have in the top 2. Over the 2023-2025 period, Lachie Neale has won one Brownlow (Nick Daicos came third, only 1 vote ahead of 4th and 5th), Patrick Cripps has won a Brownlow medal (7 votes ahead of Nick) and Matt Rowell won the Brownlow last year (7 votes ahead of Nick). Heck, even Collingwood rated Nick Daicos behind Darcy Cameron last year and behind Josh Daicos in 2023. But you said that Nick Daicos….. daylight…. Bont is in your top 2.

What us your point, if you even have one?

Are you suggesting that Neale, or Cripps, or Rowell, or J. Daicos, or Cameron, can be argued to be ahead of N. Daicos?

 

[Fadge]

There's no doubt that thinking about Carlton is a dangerous activity that could cause irreperable damage.

If thinking about them has that effect, imagine supporting them?

 

[RPCB]

What us your point, if you even have one?

Are you suggesting that Neale, or Cripps, or Rowell, or J. Daicos, or Cameron, can be argued to be ahead of N. Daicos?

No Chuckles, just that not everyone in the AFL profession sees things like you do.

Nick Daicos is a great player. There are other great players who have been consistent as well. Whatever…

 

[Dtennent94]

Daicos is on track to surpass Ablett Junior, isn’t he?

 

[nineteen eighty]

LOLOLOLOL.

So the player with 9 x top 4 finishes in the 3 main awards over the last three years (next best 5), including 2 wins and 3 runners up, isn't even an 'undisputed top 2 player' over that time?

GTWEBcos really has fried your brain.

He has won 1 B&F over the last 3 years. Tremendous achievement for such a young player. He's tracking nicely to be a Collingwood legend. All things being equal, he will get there.

All these other stats you're throwing up are Trump like. It's embarrassing.

There have been numerous multiple winners of club B&F's over the last 3 years. They include Dawson and Serong (x3), Merrett, Holmes, Zak Butters, Bontempelli.

Bont has also won 2 of the last 3 AFLPA MVP. Nick won last years to break Bont's run.

There haven't been any multiple winners of the AFLCA Player of the year. Nick won it in 2024.

Nick has been a consistent top 5 finisher in a lot of categories over this stretch as you have pointed out. You have your opinion as to what makes him the best over this stretch. It's a legitimate argument however to argue others over him. No-one is denigrating Nick's achievements by arguing this.

 

[doppleganger]

Daicos is on track to surpass Ablett Junior, isn’t he?

GAJ is the modern day benchmark.

If you break up overall career (~16 seasons) he is a quarter of the way through.

The first quarter of careers (18-22) is where players are usually building their game showing gradual improvement, before going bang and becoming a star in season 4,5 or 6.

Daicos is well ahead, he has effectively been in the peak phase from season 2, it took GAJ until season 6 to make the jump.

Daicos could deliver a decade of peak performance where he is winning/contesting league awards - AA, AFLCA etc and that is a scary thought for many.

 

[DaicosDisciple35]

He has won 1 B&F over the last 3 years. Tremendous achievement for such a young player. He's tracking nicely to be a Collingwood legend. All things being equal, he will get there.

All these other stats you're throwing up are Trump like. It's embarrassing.

There have been numerous multiple winners of club B&F's over the last 3 years. They include Dawson and Serong (x3), Merrett, Holmes, Zak Butters, Bontempelli.

Bont has also won 2 of the last 3 AFLPA MVP. Nick won last years to break Bont's run.

There haven't been any multiple winners of the AFLCA Player of the year. Nick won it in 2024.

Nick has been a consistent top 5 finisher in a lot of categories over this stretch as you have pointed out. You have your opinion as to what makes him the best over this stretch. It's a legitimate argument however to argue others over him. No-one is denigrating Nick's achievements by arguing this.

Club BNFs aren't a great measuring stick due to how differently every club does it.