Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2023, part I

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Brad Johnson was talking about it on one of the foxtel shows, that Danger might be held back til post by based on comments Scott made. That was before the GWS game.
They interviewed Dangerfield during one of the breaks in play, and said he was "hopeful" he would be back next week. Sounded far from a certainty however.
 

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"NO ADVERSE findings have been made against any person in the independent investigation into allegations of historical racism at Hawthorn."

"The independent investigation has been terminated but that does not prevent the AFL from bringing a charge against Hawthorn for its conduct in the commissioning of the original report."

Punishment for not sweeping accusations under the carpet. Given it is Hawthorn, I will accept that.
 

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"NO ADVERSE findings have been made against any person in the independent investigation into allegations of historical racism at Hawthorn."

"The independent investigation has been terminated but that does not prevent the AFL from bringing a charge against Hawthorn for its conduct in the commissioning of the original report."

Punishment for not sweeping accusations under the carpet. Given it is Hawthorn, I will accept that.

He's not said they will or won't censor Hawthorn, but said they could bring charges re: bringing the game into disrepute, conduct unbecoming etc, whilst also referencing concern over the way the allegations were leaked.
 
Laird getting off his dangerous tackle, while a less dangerous tackle from Close copped one week shows that once again the AFL don't know what the * they are doing and are just making up rules as they go.
Parkers tackle gets a week, but he releases the hands like the AFL keep telling players to do and they still give him a week.

At least the Cerra decision was rightly overruled.
 

"NO ADVERSE findings have been made against any person in the independent investigation into allegations of historical racism at Hawthorn."

"The independent investigation has been terminated but that does not prevent the AFL from bringing a charge against Hawthorn for its conduct in the commissioning of the original report."

Punishment for not sweeping accusations under the carpet. Given it is Hawthorn, I will accept that.
No findings at all because no one was spoken to from either side.
 
No findings at all because no one was spoken to from either side.
And the AFL does it again. Manufactures an outcome that totally suits them, while desperately clinging to the semblance of some due process and actual integrity. Nobody does hand-wringing and apparently earnest platitudes better than this mob.

FIFA and the IOC may be in a league of their own. But the AFL is surely on the podium for 'most self-seeking sporting organisation' we've ever seen.

#nobodydoesitbetter
#makesmefeelmadfortherest
 
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And the AFL does it again. Manufactures an outcome that totally suits them, while desperately clinging to the semblance of some due process and actual integrity. Nobody does hand-wringing and apparently earnest platitudes better than this mob.

FIFA and the IOC may be in a league of their own. But the AFL is surely on the podium for 'most self-seeking sporting organisation' we've ever seen.

#nobodydoesitbetter
#makesmefeelmadfortherest

What they've done is extricate themselves from any future litigation, whilst leaving the door open to the complainants and defendants using other legal means to pursue each other.

So they get out of it without a bruise, whilst saying to all other parties 'have at it amongst yourselves'.

Robbo raised a good point......if the Human Rights Commission finds in favour of the complainants, who has the higher authority - the HRC, or the AFL?

Interestingly too, the AFL has protected their right to punish Hawthorn somehow.
 
What they've done is extricate themselves from any future litigation, whilst leaving the door open to the complainants and defendants using other legal means to pursue each other.

So they get out of it without a bruise, whilst saying to all other parties 'have at it amongst yourselves'.

Robbo raised a good point......if the Human Rights Commission finds in favour of the complainants, who has the higher authority - the HRC, or the AFL?

Interestingly too, the AFL has protected their right to punish Hawthorn somehow.
There has to be someone to take the heat for what has been an utter debacle from start to finish. The Hawks are a very convenient subject for most people's derision, despite the fact that they are far from the only culpable party here.

You seriously wonder what would have happened if it had eventually emerged that the Hawks became aware of issues with how their indigenous cohort were being treated by coaches at the club, and proceeded to do nothing and cover up any suggestions of impropriety. Would that have been adjudged to be 'bringing the game into disrepute'?

#aflhqftw
#makeitupasyougoalong
#hasntfailedthemyet
 
There has to be someone to take the heat for what has been an utter debacle from start to finish. The Hawks are a very convenient subject for most people's derision, despite the fact that they are far from the only culpable party here.

You seriously wonder what would have happened if it had eventually emerged that the Hawks became aware of issues with how their indigenous cohort were being treated by coaches at the club, and proceeded to do nothing and cover up any suggestions of impropriety. Would that have been adjudged to be 'bringing the game into disrepute'?

#aflhqftw
#makeitupasyougoalong
#hasntfailedthemyet

I think the HFC, and the AFL, have both identified the leaking of the matter as the moment control was lost.

Imo, the AFL appears to hold the HFC responsible for that leak, and hence the suggestion of a punishment.

No doubt about the AFL..... they've performed some amazing legal and moral gymnastics to extricate themselves virtually squeaky clean from the whole saga, with no legal recourse against them, and left the other parties to scrap it out amongst themselves.
 
I think the HFC, and the AFL, have both identified the leaking of the matter as the moment control was lost.

Imo, the AFL appears to hold the HFC responsible for that leak, and hence the suggestion of a punishment.

No doubt about the AFL..... they've performed some amazing legal and moral gymnastics to extricate themselves virtually squeaky clean from the whole saga, with no legal recourse against them, and left the other parties to scrap it out amongst themselves.
And the ABC will do their investigation of themselves and ... will find there is nothing to answer for and update a policy or two.
 
I think the HFC, and the AFL, have both identified the leaking of the matter as the moment control was lost.

Imo, the AFL appears to hold the HFC responsible for that leak, and hence the suggestion of a punishment.
There's just no doubt about them, really. What possible gain was there for Hawthorn to have the report out in the public sphere, before the AFL had been given the opportunity to peruse it? Absolutely none.

So they'll end up punishing Hawthorn for having someone of no integrity lurking within their ranks, who subverted the process the club had set up to ultimately strive to get to the bottom of what had actually gone on between the indigenous players and the coaches there. How that makes the club itself culpable for the leak (when they were surely doing all they could to prevent it) is seriously beyond me.

Still, fits the narrative the AFL is pursuing, and provides a very convenient distraction from their own failings.

#likefishinabarrel
#tooeasy
 
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