Official List Management Thread

[macca23]

Johncock, Graham trade to Port for Adam Thomson and pick 22

That trade won't happen as Thomson is definitely not on Adelaide's radar.

Thomson wants to leave Port Adelaide, and in all likelihood will end up at a club in Victoria, as at this stage 5 Victorian clubs have shown an interest in him.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

DELIST/RETIRE

TRADES[/B]
Griffin, Jonathon trade to Freo for pick 21
Jericho, Luke trade to Richmond with pick 62 for pick 42
Johncock, Graham trade to Port for Adam Thomson and pick 22
Rutten, Ben trade to Collingwood for Alan Didak
QUOTE]

Surely you are joking.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

DELIST/RETIRE

TRADES[/b]
Griffin, Jonathon trade to Freo for pick 21
Jericho, Luke trade to Richmond with pick 62 for pick 42
Johncock, Graham trade to Port for Adam Thomson and pick 22
Rutten, Ben trade to Collingwood for Alan Didak
QUOTE]

Surely you are joking.

Do you dislike all those trades, or do you think they are unrealistic?

Only the 2nd one appears feasible but Richmond probably wouldn't even do that one.

I'd do the 4th one as well.

 

[Mego Red]

Do you dislike all those trades, or do you think they are unrealistic?

Only the 2nd one appears feasible but Richmond probably wouldn't even do that one.

I'd do the 4th one as well.

I think someone will take a flyer at the tail end of the draft on Jericho if we're just talking moving a few picks - and he has shown his talent against Richmond.

I think both sides would do Rutten for Didak. They NEED some key position strength. And I feel we would be selling at his highest value.

It means we'll be losing two of our key defenders in one year - but we will be adding some game changing attacking strength, which seems a bigger need.

I wouldn't be surprised if Thomson went to Victoria. Makes more sense than us. But maybe we get involved in that as a three way trade - send Thomson and Port's second round pick to St Kilda, then ontrade that pick to us for Johncock.

I'd move Griffin, but the Gold Coast are a question mark.

 

[Mego Red]

Surely you are joking.

That your whole analysis, Springy? Very incisive, as always ...

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

That your whole analysis, Springy? Very incisive, as always ...

Gee mate, I didn't think an depth analysis was necessary. They are all ridiculous trades.

 

[Drummond]

Well once again this is going to be a very interesting couple of months as we await delistings/trades and the draft. After last seasons massive and relatively unexpected clean out I expect a similar approach to be taken as we look to get the squad where we want it. Here is what I see being done when the club finalises its delistings:

Delist/Retire:

Bassett- Retired.

Biglands- Retired.

Campbell- Obviously I’m against it but I think this is one of the more obvious delistings. He was starting to find his feet at AFL level however his game time was never enough for him to ever make a significant contribution. I felt he never really got an adequate chance to show what he’s capable so in that sense it’s a disappointing end.

McGregor- Despite the fact he has a year to run on his contract his time is up. The Crows will probably attempt to find him a new home but given no one was willing to take him last year I doubt anyone will be this year given his form at the highest level was cringeworthy.

Jericho- After 6 years on the list it’s finally time for Luke and the AFC to part company. Decent skill level and a knack for kicking a goal doesn’t make up for his lack of commitment shown on the football field. I’m desperately hoping someone out there is foolish enough to take him off our hands.

Gallman- In 2 years Gallman hasn’t done nearly enough to warrant being retained for a third. There is nothing in his game that screams AFL quality and I think this is one of the easiest decisions of the off-season.

Gill- A tough one because Sellar/Walker as well as Tippett and Hentschel to a certain extent are still are unknown quantity however it’s time they get their chances. Gill gives it his all whenever he plays and his workrate and ability to take a contested mark are as good as any however his body continues to let him down and his kicking is just too unreliable. What would we really be missing by delisting him?

Rookies:

The club has some interesting decisions on their hands this season when it comes to the rookies. Last season things were made relatively easy as Archard had already quit and Turner and McIntyre had shown very few signs. This season I’d say a case could be made for each of the remaining rookies to survive the cut but here’s how I see it panning out:

- Petrenko was upgraded and there’s no doubt he’ll be on the senior list next year meaning we need to find a 7th delistee, something which shouldn’t be a problem. I’m disappointed he failed to make his AFL debut and I still feel he should have made his debut instead of Dangerfield as he was playing great football at that time.

- James Moss will probably be retained on the rookie list, given he showed some decent form at league level this year. Making Centrals team is a good effort in itself and he’s done well to play 7 league games. His form at reserves level had been pretty good for the most part and given his BOG performance on Saturday he could be a chance to play in the QF. He’s big body who has played most of his footy off the HBF and could develop into a replacement for Massie.

- Brodie Martin showed some promising signs midseason for Sturt and really showed a ball winning ability however I have doubts over his awareness and decision making. His disposal isn’t overly damaging so despite the fact he played league footy and had reasonable success I don’t see him being retained.

- Of all our rookies I felt Ed Curnow had the most disappointing season because he perhaps came with the most wraps. He missed the first month of the season due to injury however he is the lone rookie not to have played any league football. That’s not surprising given the success of Glenelg this season however he never really threatened to break into their side at any stage. Like Martin, he has shown he can win the ball and he too is very brave and fearless but his disposal just doesn’t appear to be up to scratch. His main asset, his fitness, could however be enough to keep him on the rookie list for another season as once Shirley goes we will have no recognised taggers on our list. If Curnow is to make it as a footballer it is likely this is his preferred position so there is a chance he stays.

Upgrade: Petrenko (already occurred)
Retain: Moss
Release: Martin, Curnow

That leaves us with the draft and I’ll post my thoughts over in the draft thread about what we should be looking for.

 

[jo172]

Well once again this is going to be a very interesting couple of months as we await delistings/trades and the draft. After last seasons massive and relatively unexpected clean out I expect a similar approach to be taken as we look to get the squad where we want it. Here is what I see being done when the club finalises its delistings:

Delist/Retire:

Bassett- Retired.

Biglands- Retired.

Campbell- Obviously I’m against it but I think this is one of the more obvious delistings. He was starting to find his feet at AFL level however his game time was never enough for him to ever make a significant contribution. I felt he never really got an adequate chance to show what he’s capable so in that sense it’s a disappointing end.

McGregor- Despite the fact he has a year to run on his contract his time is up. The Crows will probably attempt to find him a new home but given no one was willing to take him last year I doubt anyone will be this year given his form at the highest level was cringeworthy.

Jericho- After 6 years on the list it’s finally time for Luke and the AFC to part company. Decent skill level and a knack for kicking a goal doesn’t make up for his lack of commitment shown on the football field. I’m desperately hoping someone out there is foolish enough to take him off our hands.

Gallman- In 2 years Gallman hasn’t done nearly enough to warrant being retained for a third. There is nothing in his game that screams AFL quality and I think this is one of the easiest decisions of the off-season.

Gill- A tough one because Sellar/Walker as well as Tippett and Hentschel to a certain extent are still are unknown quantity however it’s time they get their chances. Gill gives it his all whenever he plays and his workrate and ability to take a contested mark are as good as any however his body continues to let him down and his kicking is just too unreliable. What would we really be missing by delisting him?

Rookies:

The club has some interesting decisions on their hands this season when it comes to the rookies. Last season things were made relatively easy as Archard had already quit and Turner and McIntyre had shown very few signs. This season I’d say a case could be made for each of the remaining rookies to survive the cut but here’s how I see it panning out:

- Petrenko was upgraded and there’s no doubt he’ll be on the senior list next year meaning we need to find a 7th delistee, something which shouldn’t be a problem. I’m disappointed he failed to make his AFL debut and I still feel he should have made his debut instead of Dangerfield as he was playing great football at that time.

- James Moss will probably be retained on the rookie list, given he showed some decent form at league level this year. Making Centrals team is a good effort in itself and he’s done well to play 7 league games. His form at reserves level had been pretty good for the most part and given his BOG performance on Saturday he could be a chance to play in the QF. He’s big body who has played most of his footy off the HBF and could develop into a replacement for Massie.

- Brodie Martin showed some promising signs midseason for Sturt and really showed a ball winning ability however I have doubts over his awareness and decision making. His disposal isn’t overly damaging so despite the fact he played league footy and had reasonable success I don’t see him being retained.

- Of all our rookies I felt Ed Curnow had the most disappointing season because he perhaps came with the most wraps. He missed the first month of the season due to injury however he is the lone rookie not to have played any league football. That’s not surprising given the success of Glenelg this season however he never really threatened to break into their side at any stage. Like Martin, he has shown he can win the ball and he too is very brave and fearless but his disposal just doesn’t appear to be up to scratch. His main asset, his fitness, could however be enough to keep him on the rookie list for another season as once Shirley goes we will have no recognised taggers on our list. If Curnow is to make it as a footballer it is likely this is his preferred position so there is a chance he stays.

Upgrade: Petrenko (already occurred)
Retain: Moss
Release: Martin, Curnow

That leaves us with the draft and I’ll post my thoughts over in the draft thread about what we should be looking for.

Good post Drumm

Only one I'm up in the air about is Gill. Each day I'm waking up with a different decision, I'm glad it's not my call!

 

[dplggr47]

DELIST/RETIRE
Bassett, Nathan
Biglands, Rhett
Campbell, Bryce
Goodwin, Simon
Gallman, Greg
McGregor, Ken

ROOKIE RETAIN/UPGRADE
Moss, James rookie, retain on rookie list
Petrenko, Jared elevate onto main list

TRADES
Griffin, Jonathon trade to Freo for pick 21
Jericho, Luke trade to Richmond with pick 62 for pick 42
Johncock, Graham trade to Port for Adam Thomson and pick 22
Rutten, Ben trade to Collingwood for Alan Didak

DRAFT PICKS
Crows - picks at 12, 21, 22, 30, 42, 46
PSD Pick 12.

- Simon Goodwin is signed on for next year. though, i wouldn't think his body would hold up past next year...
- Hopefully Moss gets retained.
- Griffin for pick 21...crows wouldn't do it...he's worth higher, but we won't get much higher...so this comes down to if he wants to leave.
- Jericho, lol. Jericho in any trade would be worth it. but that trade would be ripping Richmond off. we'd probably do it for their last pick. but if they wanted him, they'd take him via PSD.
- Johncock...neither team would do that. not worth it for the crows, while Port value their picks very highly.
- Rutten for Didak: i can see the benefits of that deal, but i cannot see either team wanting to do it.

...don't Crows get pick 10?
priority picks will go to teams with less than a certain amount of wins over 2 consecutive seasons...which is only Melbourne. and i think the priority picks occur at the end of the first round, ie, Melbourne would get picks 1, 17 and 18...is that correct? which would mean, the crows who finished 7th (kangas 8th) will get pick 10?

 

[Vader]

...don't Crows get pick 10?
priority picks will go to teams with less than a certain amount of wins over 2 consecutive seasons...which is only Melbourne. and i think the priority picks occur at the end of the first round, ie, Melbourne would get picks 1, 17 and 18...is that correct? which would mean, the crows who finished 7th (kangas 8th) will get pick 10?

Adelaide have pick #10, #28, #44 and so forth.

Melbourne & West Coast are the only clubs to qualify for priority draft selections. As both are first time offenders (ie they didn't qualify in 2007), their selections take place between the 1st and 2nd rounds - picks #17 & #18.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Good post Drumm

Only one I'm up in the air about is Gill. Each day I'm waking up with a different decision, I'm glad it's not my call!

Can we afford to also delist Gill if we delist McGregor?. With Sellar being miles off and Trent H's future uncertain, would it leave us thin in the KPP dept?

I'm a Gill fan because of his work ethic and freakish ability, however, his negatives are too major to ignore.

 

[dplggr47]

Adelaide have pick #10, #28, #44 and so forth.

Melbourne & West Coast are the only clubs to qualify for priority draft selections. As both are first time offenders (ie they didn't qualify in 2007), their selections take place between the 1st and 2nd rounds - picks #17 & #18.

West Coast as well? they won 15 games last season and get priority picks this year? you sure, because that doesn't seem fair...Carlton have won less games than them over the 2 seasons and don't qualify.

Can we afford to also delist Gill if we delist McGregor?. With Sellar being miles off and Trent H's future uncertain, would it leave us thin in the KPP dept?

I'm a Gill fan because of his work ethic and freakish ability, however, his negatives are too major to ignore.

but McGregor is not a Gill replacement...if Gill was delisted, McGregor would not take his spot in the team, despite being on the emergency list on several occasions. i think Gill is still 50/50...not sure which way the club will go. i do appreciate his running and never say die attitude, but his flaws are huge at times...

 

[Vader]

West Coast as well? they won 15 games last season and get priority picks this year? you sure, because that doesn't seem fair...Carlton have won less games than them over the 2 seasons and don't qualify.

Absolutely certain of it.

Any club which fails to gain more than 16.5 premiership points in any given season earns themselves a priority draft selection. First time offenders get a pick between the first & second rounds. Repeat offenders get a pick ahead of the first round.

West Coast finished with 16 points, just below the cut-off. It's the reason for their spectacular tank in R20 against the Demons. They most definitely qualify.

Performances in previous years don't count for squat, unless the club in question is a repeat offender looking for the pre-first round pick.

 

[dplggr47]

Absolutely certain of it.

Any club which fails to gain more than 16.5 premiership points in any given season earns themselves a priority draft selection. First time offenders get a pick between the first & second rounds. Repeat offenders get a pick ahead of the first round.

West Coast finished with 16 points, just below the cut-off. It's the reason for their spectacular tank in R20 against the Demons. They most definitely qualify.

Performances in previous years don't count for squat, unless the club in question is a repeat offender looking for the pre-first round pick.

thanks for the info. that is certainly dodgy...but i guess if a side can manage to lose to Melbourne, then they deserve it.

Melbourne won 5 games last year and 3 this year...does that mean they are a repeat offender...and would qualify for a pre-first-round pick instead?

 

[cocka]

thanks for the info. that is certainly dodgy...but i guess if a side can manage to lose to Melbourne, then they deserve it.

Melbourne won 5 games last year and 3 this year...does that mean they are a repeat offender...and would qualify for a pre-first-round pick instead?

No they are not a repeat offender, 5 games = 20 points.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

- James Moss will probably be retained on the rookie list, given he showed some decent form at league level this year. Making Centrals team is a good effort in itself and he’s done well to play 7 league games. His form at reserves level had been pretty good for the most part and given his BOG performance on Saturday he could be a chance to play in the QF. He’s big body who has played most of his footy off the HBF and could develop into a replacement for Massie.

- Of all our rookies I felt Ed Curnow had the most disappointing season because he perhaps came with the most wraps. He missed the first month of the season due to injury however he is the lone rookie not to have played any league football. That’s not surprising given the success of Glenelg this season however he never really threatened to break into their side at any stage. Like Martin, he has shown he can win the ball and he too is very brave and fearless but his disposal just doesn’t appear to be up to scratch. His main asset, his fitness, could however be enough to keep him on the rookie list for another season as once Shirley goes we will have no recognised taggers on our list. If Curnow is to make it as a footballer it is likely this is his preferred position so there is a chance he stays.

.

Great points...I'd be keeping both those guys.

 

[SydCrow]

Gill has to get another year IMO. We are not exactly over-endowed with CHFs.

This time next year we will have a better idea re Hentschel, Walker, Sellar etc.

 

[Vader]

Melbourne won 5 games last year and 3 this year...does that mean they are a repeat offender...and would qualify for a pre-first-round pick instead?

As cocka stated, they won 5 games last year (the 5th being the "unloseable" game against a Carlton team determined not to lose their grip on the #1 draft pick). Thus, they didn't qualify for a priority draft selection last year and are not considered repeat offenders this year.

The only teams which could have qualified for repeat offender status this year were Carlton & Richmond, both of whom comfortably escaped the red zone in 2008.

 

[dplggr47]

As cocka stated, they won 5 games last year (the 5th being the "unloseable" game against a Carlton team determined not to lose their grip on the #1 draft pick). Thus, they didn't qualify for a priority draft selection last year and are not considered repeat offenders this year.

The only teams which could have qualified for repeat offender status this year were Carlton & Richmond, both of whom comfortably escaped the red zone in 2008.

ok, thanks for that.

 

[coast2coast]

We seem to have this replenishing of the list back to front. We make a bucket load of changes when the draft was considered weak. This year we will make less changes in a strong draft, even considering the sus future drafts. We axe Torney when he was playing good footy. This year we retain Burton even though he will miss half of the year. We will retain Goodwin, Mcleod and Edwards even after Craig admits we are along way behind the best. These guys arent going to take us there, and their form has been hit and miss. Their bodies are waning and they were shit on the weekend when we needed them to stand up. Doesnt make any sense.

Good post. After having a couple of days to reflect on it, I couldn't agree more.

With the club already carrying the uncertainty of Burton and Hentschel into 2009, I firmly believe there's only room for one of Goodwin, McLeod or Edwards. The stark reality is that none of that trio are going to be a part of our next premiership. That has to place a massive question mark over the value in retaining them.

This will obviously be painful, because they're players who have essentially been the authors of our short history. But these are exactly the type of "hard" decisions that Craig says need to be made in the interests of the club.

Although he is contracted next year, I think Goodwin is the most obvious candidate of the three to be shown the door. His leadership has been largely uninspiring this year, and despite his scoreboard contribution he's failed to deliver when it's really mattered. He's been hampered by injury for several weeks, which is all the more concerning given his age. He also has a documented and undocumented off-field history which, in my opinion, made him unsuitable for the post of captain in the first place.

The harder decision is to choose between McLeod and Edwards. While both have been exceptional servants, there's no doubt McLeod was the classier performer at his best. But those flashes of brilliance have been fewer and farther between this season, particularly since the mid-season All-star game and his knee surgery. His comeback game in the second Showdown was probably his poorest performance in Crows colours. He bounced back with a standout game in his 300th, but again looked out of sorts when it mattered in the elimination final.

By contrast, Edwards's season has been a model of consistency - borne out by the fact he didn't miss a game and won the Advertiser's Merv Agars medal for best Crows or Port player. Moreso than Goodwin or McLeod, he seems to be one of those Robert Harvey "evergreen" types. His flexibility is also a strength, given he can play at either end of the ground and still seems to have the legs to pinch-hit in the midfield.

If Goodwin and McLeod are retained, it's likely they'll cost a player like Massie, Shirley or Gill their spot. While they've clearly contributed much more to the club's history over the course of their careers, I really can't see that they'll be able to contribute as much to its short-term future

So, for me, it would be:
Retire: Bassett, Biglands
Encourage to retire/delist: Goodwin, McLeod
Trade (only for right price): Griffin
Delist/Trade: Jericho
Delist: Campbell, Gallman, McGregor
Rookie delist: Martin
Rookie retain: Moss, Curnow
Rookie upgrade: Petrenko

This would give us a minimum of six, maximum of eight picks in the national draft.

 

[Alex99]

This is my attempt – like it or not, this is how i see we should go with development as the primary reason.

Biglands and Bassett (Stevens going back allowing Walker to go forward)– retired

Massie (Dangerfield on the half back flank), Shirley (Douglas moving into the midfield as a tagging option) and Goodwin (Otten as a floating midfielder/forward line player) rather than Campbell, Gallman and Gill, do i believe Campbell, Gallman and Gill are better player? No it is vital we develop the kids and develop them as quick as possible. For 12 months they can continue to play that vital depth player role however I don’t believe Massie, Shirley or especially Goodwin could or would be willing to play that depth player role.

That will allow 4 places in the side to go to kids next year

Add Jericho and McGregor as there time has passed. That will give them 7 players gone, add Jarrod Petrenko and they have 6 picks.

 

[Stiffy_18]

TRADES[/B]
Griffin, Jonathon trade to Freo for pick 21
Jericho, Luke trade to Richmond with pick 62 for pick 42
Johncock, Graham trade to Port for Adam Thomson and pick 22
Rutten, Ben trade to Collingwood for Alan Didak

Jesus **** dude! Are you out for blood?!

Why would you trade Griffin?! Out of sight out of mind?! Its amazing how at the start of the year he would have been someone we would hold on for dear like but due to him playing with a hip injury since then, we should sell him?!

C'mon, a quality tall for a pissy pick that guarantees NOTHING. There is greater likelihood of Griffin developing into an AFL player than there is of pick 21. Draft picks are seriously overrated! IIRC less than 25% chance of one actually working out.

Jericho trade I would do but not sure any club would be interested in trading for a player they could pick up for nothing in the draft. Someone would have to like him a fair bit for them to trade for him. I would take any deal for him to be honest.

As for the Johncock trade, you either seriously underrate him or you seriously overrate Thomson! Wouldn't do this trade in a million years. Graham Johncock is a proven commodity, arguably the best small defender in the game when in form. Do not mistake his late season slump for lack of talent. Prior to the slump he was in AA form. With the imminent retirement of McLeod, why the hell would you trade one of the best small, rebounding defenders for a plodder and another pissy draft pick. Lack of form or not, Johncock is worth a first round draft pick all day, every day!

Rutten for Didak?! I love Didak but let me tell you a couple of great golden rules:

RULE #1: Never EVER trade a quality big for a quality small
RULE #2: A road to a championship is paved by a great defence!

Rutten is our anchor in defence. Has been every since Craig took over. Go and have a look at our record when Rutten misses a game through injury. Its one ugly sight! He is our rock, the heart and soul of our backline and more importantly, there is NO ONE that can come in and replace him adequately!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Well once again this is going to be a very interesting couple of months as we await delistings/trades and the draft. After last seasons massive and relatively unexpected clean out I expect a similar approach to be taken as we look to get the squad where we want it. Here is what I see being done when the club finalises its delistings:

Delist/Retire:

Bassett- Retired.

Biglands- Retired.

Campbell- Obviously I’m against it but I think this is one of the more obvious delistings. He was starting to find his feet at AFL level however his game time was never enough for him to ever make a significant contribution. I felt he never really got an adequate chance to show what he’s capable so in that sense it’s a disappointing end.

McGregor- Despite the fact he has a year to run on his contract his time is up. The Crows will probably attempt to find him a new home but given no one was willing to take him last year I doubt anyone will be this year given his form at the highest level was cringeworthy.

Jericho- After 6 years on the list it’s finally time for Luke and the AFC to part company. Decent skill level and a knack for kicking a goal doesn’t make up for his lack of commitment shown on the football field. I’m desperately hoping someone out there is foolish enough to take him off our hands.

Gallman- In 2 years Gallman hasn’t done nearly enough to warrant being retained for a third. There is nothing in his game that screams AFL quality and I think this is one of the easiest decisions of the off-season.

Gill- A tough one because Sellar/Walker as well as Tippett and Hentschel to a certain extent are still are unknown quantity however it’s time they get their chances. Gill gives it his all whenever he plays and his workrate and ability to take a contested mark are as good as any however his body continues to let him down and his kicking is just too unreliable. What would we really be missing by delisting him?

Rookies:

The club has some interesting decisions on their hands this season when it comes to the rookies. Last season things were made relatively easy as Archard had already quit and Turner and McIntyre had shown very few signs. This season I’d say a case could be made for each of the remaining rookies to survive the cut but here’s how I see it panning out:

- Petrenko was upgraded and there’s no doubt he’ll be on the senior list next year meaning we need to find a 7th delistee, something which shouldn’t be a problem. I’m disappointed he failed to make his AFL debut and I still feel he should have made his debut instead of Dangerfield as he was playing great football at that time.

- James Moss will probably be retained on the rookie list, given he showed some decent form at league level this year. Making Centrals team is a good effort in itself and he’s done well to play 7 league games. His form at reserves level had been pretty good for the most part and given his BOG performance on Saturday he could be a chance to play in the QF. He’s big body who has played most of his footy off the HBF and could develop into a replacement for Massie.

- Brodie Martin showed some promising signs midseason for Sturt and really showed a ball winning ability however I have doubts over his awareness and decision making. His disposal isn’t overly damaging so despite the fact he played league footy and had reasonable success I don’t see him being retained.

- Of all our rookies I felt Ed Curnow had the most disappointing season because he perhaps came with the most wraps. He missed the first month of the season due to injury however he is the lone rookie not to have played any league football. That’s not surprising given the success of Glenelg this season however he never really threatened to break into their side at any stage. Like Martin, he has shown he can win the ball and he too is very brave and fearless but his disposal just doesn’t appear to be up to scratch. His main asset, his fitness, could however be enough to keep him on the rookie list for another season as once Shirley goes we will have no recognised taggers on our list. If Curnow is to make it as a footballer it is likely this is his preferred position so there is a chance he stays.

Upgrade: Petrenko (already occurred)
Retain: Moss
Release: Martin, Curnow

That leaves us with the draft and I’ll post my thoughts over in the draft thread about what we should be looking for.

Great post!

More of the same please!

 

[Drummond]

Great post!

More of the same please!

Yeh for sure, admittedly I went off the boil there for a while. I'm ready to talk sense again. You'll find I'm not so biased during the offseason!

 

[johnnypanther]

What they do about addressing our deficiencies and getting our list right for a genuine tilt at a premiership will be interesting - there are no elite big forwards on the market so i think we must continue to develop Tippett, Walker, Sellar, Hentschell. IMO it would be a waste trading for a 2nd string forward such as Boyle, etc etc and that would just be a repeat of our trading "mistakes" of the past.

The side lacks genuine pace and a genuine defensive crumber - this i think can be addressed in the trade period with our 2nd round pick - i would be going hard at Varcoe and making him an offer that HE wont refuse. He has pace, he actually lays genuine tackles! and he can kick too.

From my own personal perspective which most dont agree with anyway, i want to see if they have the balls and actually be aggressive in pruning our list and shaping it into a premiership contender - IMO Biglands, Bassett, McGregor, Jericho, plus 3 out of Shirley, Massie, Campbell, Gallman, Goodwin, Edwards to go. Shirley, Campbell, Gallman or Massie are my choices. That makes 7 out, with Petrenko upgraded giving us 6 draft picks 10,28,44,60,76,92. I'm not sure of the value of 92 but there may be someone in the PSD worthwhile or alternatively, 76 & 92 could be used on bottom age project players who cannot be rookie listed (a la Aaron Kite last year).
Of course, we really cant determine these until trade week is over because that could change the delistings needed considerably.
eg If we pick up Varcoe for our 2nd rounder and not manage to trade anyone away then we would have picks 10,44,60,76,92,108 - in which case it may not be worthwhile delisting the 7th player as pick 108 may be "useless". Although my preference would be to delist regardless and then if it was considered no viable draftee was there at pick 108 or PSD then we could just redraft a delistee.

Rookies i would retain Moss & Curnow.