Hadn't heard that. He barely fired a shot on the field, and was traded to Richmond, then delisted a short time later.
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I'd say it's not always clear how much of each contributes, there's clearly players that are physically gifted in a way that others aren't, which is something more 'obvious'. Then you've got guys who have 'it' where there's not really a tangible way to measure 'it' but we all know it when we see it.
Dangerfield wouldn't be the player he is if he wasn't close to the most broadly athletic midfielder the game has seen. He's ~ 6'2", strongly built, has the tank to run through the middle whilst still being one of the most explosive players on the field, he's also been blessed with all of that and a durable body. He'd have outstanding metrics.
Tippungwuti has the 'it' factor though. You can't measure it on a scale or with a timer. You can just see it with your eyes. None of his testing numbers would wow you I wouldn't expect, beyond perhaps agility.
Sometimes you get a kid who's been in a great environment and comes in to the AFL with outstanding junior numbers, but doesn't have that ceiling. Rhys Palmer I'm looking at you.
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The fall back was name as well
The fact he didn’t impact early wasn’t a talent issue, it was conditioning, maturity and professionalism
You can be talented and naturally unfit
Once he got fit his talent shone
Why do people put words in other people's mouths when they don't hear what they want?
I didn't assume you said no talent whatsoever, and nowhere did I say anything to indicate such.
I read what you wrote and disagree with it wholeheartedly.
Jobe read the play better than anyone, he was as one touch as they come, his ability to set up the play by hand was elite, and despite being the slowest bloke on the field, flat out could not be tackled.
Now if you said he was the least athletically gifted, sure. But he had more talent than most AFL players could dream of.
Well sure, if you list his 3 biggest deficiencies in isolation, it wouldn't scream much. I think you could comfortably do that for any player to play the game, bar Gary Ablett jnr and a few others.
How does a bloke with one of the worst athletic profiles to play the game win a brownlow without a s**t tonne of talent? And don't tell me through work rate.
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In the injured early category there would be D Daniher, Pears and Gumby. There were rumours something happened to Dyson as well.
In the “I got it wrong” category my stand outs would be Reimers, Cupido, Laycock, Haynes, Mynott, Bradley, Dyson, and J Merrett would be my main ones.
I think Melksham, Lovett, and Carlisle underperformed. Myersand Winders due to injury.
In the “I got it wrong” category my stand outs would be Reimers, Cupido, Laycock, Haynes, Mynott, Bradley, Dyson, and J Merrett would be my main ones.
I think Melksham, Lovett, and Carlisle underperformed. Myersand Winders due to injury.
We got McPhee as well.
J Daniher. I say that mostly tongue in cheek but not entirely. Probably got 1.5 really good seasons out of him (plus a half in that game in Adel against Hawks that probably got us the upper round 1 pick for him) for all the fuss.
Gumbleton was probably the main one. Number 2 pick to fill the Lloyd/Lucas void. Obviously injuries the main factor for him. Jackson Merrett was another. Had a 40 possession and kicked some goals I think against Carlton in 1 game. But never went on with it. Probably led us to getting Zack so still a good result.
Gumbleton was probably the main one. Number 2 pick to fill the Lloyd/Lucas void. Obviously injuries the main factor for him. Jackson Merrett was another. Had a 40 possession and kicked some goals I think against Carlton in 1 game. But never went on with it. Probably led us to getting Zack so still a good result.
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I do wonder how a guy like J.Merrett would have gone at a club that was better able to make use of role players than we were capable of at the time.
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Merrett was an awkward tweener. He was more of a wing than a half forward but didn't find enough ball to play there.
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Jake Long, Josh Begley and Kobe Mutch I thought could have all become varying levels of role player to quite good.
This is a long way of saying, if you are one of the few who haven't figured this out yet, do not listen to me.
This is a long way of saying, if you are one of the few who haven't figured this out yet, do not listen to me.
eth-dog
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6'6" CHF with a great tank and strong hands. Bloke was getting Riewoldt comparisons in his draft year
Couldn't kick.
eth-dog
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Yeah, I was listing why so many were bullish before his injuries struck. Matthew Richardson had some of the worst kicking skills going around and he turned out pretty well.
I can't imagine why they were bullish considering he had a ball drop from the roof, and kicked floaters.
As far as I remember Richardson was always a fundamentally good kick. He'd just miss the target too much.
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Because he was a 6'6" CHF with a huge tank and great hands.
Richo was a terrible kick of the ball. Kicked plenty of floaters.
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Was not considered an issue as a junior.
So you are putting yourself above everyone else that rated that draft at the time ?
The fact he could play at both CHF and CHB was the big factor at the time. His goal kicking was never that bad. 45.23 career.
And by the way my preference which was on record before the draft was Hanson so I am not a Gumby band wagon member.
I never rated Jetta or Hislop out of that draft either. Hislop could not kick.
With the benefit of hindsight I do wonder about the extent to which Gumby was one of those talls the industry wasn't getting right.
When I say that, I have no doubt that injury free he would have ended up a very solid 150-200 game player. At the end of the day he kicked 45 goals from 35 games with what must have been a significantly reduce physical capacity. He was also still clearly above VFL standard. He could clearly play.
The question for me is whether he was a number 2 in the sense that he could have been Riewoldt good. It's hard to say with a guy who's trick was work rate because we never saw it. Was his endurance and running power good enough to blow up seasoned AFL defenders? Did he have the ability to jump at the ball to get separation?
Also his kicking was fine. He looked a bit awkward because he bent his arm at the pont of the ball drop but it wasn't an issue.
I recall there were a few horrible shanks early on but that was not the norm.
When I say that, I have no doubt that injury free he would have ended up a very solid 150-200 game player. At the end of the day he kicked 45 goals from 35 games with what must have been a significantly reduce physical capacity. He was also still clearly above VFL standard. He could clearly play.
The question for me is whether he was a number 2 in the sense that he could have been Riewoldt good. It's hard to say with a guy who's trick was work rate because we never saw it. Was his endurance and running power good enough to blow up seasoned AFL defenders? Did he have the ability to jump at the ball to get separation?
Also his kicking was fine. He looked a bit awkward because he bent his arm at the pont of the ball drop but it wasn't an issue.
I recall there were a few horrible shanks early on but that was not the norm.
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I just had a look at video. You are right, his kicking was ok. Perhaps it was the few bad drops and shanks that stick in my memory. Or maybe it was towards the end when his back was buggered, which could have impeded his ball drop and kick.
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Mark Williams (at Essendon). Played a few games in early 2010 including a four goal performance in a win over Carlton. Got injured not long after and was not seen in the seniors again, retired with a year to go on his contract in 2011.
Looking back on it, from that era Browne and Dalgleish are the 2 who had all the AFL tools for respective roles.
Kavanagh could easily have become one of those high possession midfield accumulators I don't rate.
Was bullish on Prismall. Coming from a system training in a midfield brigade with Bartel, Ablett, Corey, Selwood and Ling, and being highly touted by their own fans, I thought Prismall was going to add some real class. Perhaps he could have if he'd stayed fit.
Also had really high hopes for Atkinson. He had real pace and agility, but I think his kicking was 50/50 at times. Really clever tapping the ball to a player or to advantage at ground level. He was exciting.
Also had really high hopes for Atkinson. He had real pace and agility, but I think his kicking was 50/50 at times. Really clever tapping the ball to a player or to advantage at ground level. He was exciting.
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