Review QF: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly vs. Collingwood

[PeterSalt]

The worst thing for me is how many of our players now have question marks over their head in terms of can you stand up when it matters most ...... In finals.

Basically every player in leadership group didn't perform to their average performance.

I understand it's your first final but this is why you play football you should want to give it everything

Tex ANB and Laird stood up they have finals experience the only players without finals experience that played to the best of their ability was Worrell and Pedlar.


A lot of players didn't play well, a concerning amount, if you can't get up for a home qualifying final and a club legends 300th then what the Bloody hell will??

Finals aren't easy they never will be but you actually have to crave the pressure and the moment not just sit around and hope someone else does

And they get a chance this week to have another crack

That's a whole better than waiting at least another 12 months, or even longer

For list management too - if we've got players that continue to wilt under pressure they need to be yeeted now

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Do you think this was a rogue bonkers moment or the Nicks norm? Has Wayne commented about the coaching?

We all know when the going gets tough, the Wayne goes MIA.

According to him it's all about winning or losing, which makes sense as we only see him when we are winning.

 

[jenny61_99]

Oh so its ok? Interesting take Jen!

Not ok. But they actually have a tangible reason.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Do you think this was a rogue bonkers moment or the Nicks norm? Has Wayne commented about the coaching?

Nicks has massive form in us just bombing it long into the top of the 50 for easy intercept marking. The fact in 6 years he has failed to change this is staggering. Look for Stewart to destroy us even worse!

 

[BRL121]

The worst thing for me is how many of our players now have question marks over their head in terms of can you stand up when it matters most ...... In finals.

Basically every player in leadership group didn't perform to their average performance.

I understand it's your first final but this is why you play football you should want to give it everything

Tex ANB and Laird stood up they have finals experience the only players without finals experience that played to the best of their ability was Worrell and Pedlar.


A lot of players didn't play well, a concerning amount, if you can't get up for a home qualifying final and a club legends 300th then what the Bloody hell will??

Finals aren't easy they never will be but you actually have to crave the pressure and the moment not just sit around and hope someone else does

I agree with all of this. However, on reflection, I think coaching also played a part.

The particular issue I have is not related to hack kicks out of defence, which were to be expected when under extreme pressure, rather than getting caught HTB. The astounding problem I saw relates to boundary stoppage setups. Here, Collingwood seemed to have an outer layer of players, relatively unattended, and, when the ball got out to them, Collingwood's running patterns resulted in clear attacking handball chains down the ground, unmolested. One of the key factors in this was the fact that their inside players, when tackled very well, still manage to get strong, accurate handballs away to start the chain, albeit a lot of them throws.

I don't believe that our players have this ability to get such handballs away when tackled strongly. They just get swung and hack kick away randomly, or just fumble and drop the ball, or just give it to the oppo. I believe that our midfield coaches need to urgently train our inside men in this art. This problem is also exacerbated by the fact that our guys at boundary stoppages seem to be clustered in the inner circle, with not as many outside like Collingwood.

This seems to relate to a general lack of skill, as well as a deficiency in midfield stoppage coaching to me. I really don't see why we can't have handball chains down the flanks just like Collingwood.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Not ok. But they actually have a tangible reason.

No they dont. Thats hypocrissy.

So Quaynor, who openly abused Rankine, clearly said some heinous shit to provoke the response, shoved him into the ground and tried to hurt him cant be booed because he is a victim of a 'word' yet Rankine who was pushed to boiling point said a bad word, had his life crushed, can be booed by a group of people that werent affected at all about something that was said to a player it didnt affect at all?

Thats the hypocrissy. They have no reason and the AFL needs to call it out.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Will people stop painting the scene that the crowd only booed Quaynor for just being the victim of a homophobic taunt?

People are mad at the shit they did to Rankine. People in the crowd were saying those kind of comments. I was ****ing there.

I don't mind getting into players about their shit kick etc but they're cheap shits what they did. And players/the industry go on about concussion and CTE yet they used that against him like that..

And no one in the media called it out because it has to be black and white, Rankine is just bad for what he did.

But that will all be ignored and forgotten and it will just be "herp derp bad homophobic crowd"

 

[Scorpus]

For me, selections handicapped us, and then McRae finished us off.

Very few of our players would be happy with their performance, but we never gave them the opportunity to win this game.

Q1 it was so obvious what Collingwood were doing - pressure upfield, choke up our forward line to negate the talls, and then attack from the intercepts.

I expected a response at quarter time to combat it - did we do anything substantially different?

Didn't appear so.

Moving Laird into the midfield, that's the best we can do? That's a positional change of one player, not a tactical adjustment to the gameplan in response to the Collingwood's gameplan.

Laird to the midfield only fixed up one part of the issue too, which was getting hands on the ball in the midfield

If anything it made our connection to the outside and forward line - the number one biggest issue - worse. It did nothing to address the dominance of Moore's intercepts and looked to destabilize our defense a bit as well

 

[adelaidecrows]

Will people stop painting the scene that the crowd only booed Quaynor for just being the victim of a homophobic taunt?

People are mad at the shit they did to Rankine. People in the crowd were saying those kind of comments. I was ****ing there.

I don't mind getting into players about their shit kick etc but they're cheap shits what they did. And players/the industry go on about concussion and CTE yet they used that against him like that..

And no one in the media called it out because it has to be black and white, Rankine is just bad for what he did.

But that will all be ignored and forgotten and it will just be "herp derp bad homophobic crowd"

when the PC brigade get it in their little brains that their is a poor wittle victim who needs protecting because of bad word it doesnt matter the reason. Hey everyone who booed Goodes was a racist dont you know?

 

[George CantStandYa]

We all know when the going gets tough, the Wayne goes MIA.

According to him it's all about winning or losing, which makes sense as we only see him when we are winning.

You’re showing restraint in not tagging him, I see he commented about the game with no comment on the coaching

 

[CrowBloke]

Good:
Pedlar saved his career last night

Yeah, he may well have done.

Laird and Walker were decent.
Bond down back was competitive and worked so hard in close, definitely has a future.

Some other posters have called for Bond to be dropped.
Laird definitely put in hard, Tex ok but I was disappointed with 2 of Tex's set shots

We have a 2nd chance.

I suspect it won't matter.
Even with Rachele back he'll be underdone and our midfield was woeful.

Nicks spoke very well after the game. We need composure now more than ever.

I'll watch that.

If we can get through next week and have Brisbane at the Gabba or Geelong at the MCG, its not the worst situation in the world. Geelong is away from KP

They'll beat us at the MCG. They are another Collingwood, but with horizontal stripes.

and we match up well against Brisbane.

At the Gabba? Yeah/nah.
Brisbane have found form, but we'll know more after tonight.

Bad:
Peatling, Dawson, Milera, OBrien and Hinge let us down.

Too harsh. Several played badly tonight. It was a shocker.

Hacking it long to Moore continually was just awful football.

Nicks and/or Senior players should have done something about Moore.
Letting him roam unattended was self-defeating. Naicos as well.

Ugly:
Booing Isaac Quanynor, if you boo'd this man you are the problem. Have a good hard look at yourself, its disgraceful and you made the Adelaide Football Club look like the biggest hick, jackass, backward, sore loser organisation of ferals and in turn Collingwood also look like the squeaky-clean darlings of the AFL, congrats they are the good guys now.

I didn't get the booing of Qaynor at all, but meh ... people do a lot of things I don't 'get'.

 

[MRB37]

They're now reporting what Stephen Rowe said as if he's a official representative of the club. Absolute shitshow.

 

[Crowked]

I’m 100% certain Rankine gets racially vilified next time he plays Collingwood and nothing gets said about it.

 

[adelaidecrows]

I don't care what players have said since time began, aren't we living in a different era now where many things are not on?
Exactly what this is about with the word that was said which has been said for years also.. or are you green lighting it since it's been said since time began?

Don't play games with your -unless you give me exact quotes, it didnt happen.. It's well known what went on and I've heard the same from someone.

I didn't carry on at Quaynor, I've already said that. People get heated and have their reasons. Supporters are going to feel protective of their own when they know what went on. Houston was deserving of most of the heat.

i love the 'please provide direct quotes or it didnt happen' way of debating. What do they think was the mitigating circumstances. lol.

 

[adelaidecrows]

I’m 100% certain Rankine gets racially vilified next time he plays Collingwood and nothing gets said about it.

Well its justified according to some.

 

[kirky]

I could see it coming all week. We were no chance at winning. First final in 8 years, playing against the biggest side in the competition, dealing with pathetically unfair favoritism (I know we were the underdogs). People saying they were cooked. We were no chance. That's why I tipped the Pies, they ALWAYS thrive here. Maybe losing R23 would have done us better.

We choked big time. Another Thursday night flop. And we deserve to hear it from the opposition supporters.

It was a pathetic effort and should have been beaten by more, esp the start of the 3rd quarter.

Thilthorpe messed it up big time when he passed up an open goal in the 4th that could have changed momentum.

Right now we'll never beat this team in September with this kind of stage fright. If it's Hawthorn next week, it could be straight sets. We have a long long way to go and we cannot go back into our shells after this season.

You must lead a sad life. Never a positive.

 

[Doctor B]

CBA

Dawson 87%
N Daicos 83%
Cameron 78%
De Goey 74%
O'Brien 70%
Soligo 65%
Pendlebury 61%
Peatling 52%
Berry 52%
Long 39%
McCreery 30%
Thilthorpe 30%
Laird 26%
Cox 22%
Michalanney 9%
Keays 9%
J Daicos 9%
Crisp 4%

Same players disposals

De Goey 26
N Daicos 24
J Daicos 24
Laird 24
Pendlebury 23
Long 23
Crisp 22
Soligo 21
Dawson 19
Keays 15
Thilthorpe 15
Cameron 15
McCreery 14
Berry 12
Michalanney 10
Peatling 9
O'Brien 9
Cox 8

 

[TheLeftFist8]

The continual verbal and physical abuse of Mark Keane by Mihocek and others went all night long. Clearly identified as a 'hot head' who they could target with attempted mental disintegration. Fair enough...but it makes me vomit to see their holier than thou attitude about 'safe workplace' and other platitudes. Hypocrites to the extreme. Every sensible person knows this was all about competitive advantage.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

We just never looked all that interested which could have been coming from being completely overawed at the whole situation.
The slur campaign and the unrealistic media jump on is continuing now with the “they’re so nasty they booed”

I was super keen to boo Houston and did so - his hit on Rankine in the showdown was a dog act his alleged taunts the other week was worse.

I was seated in section 140 I think 95% of section 141 were Collingwood supporters- there was a particular group in there that made Thomas Sewell look like a nice guy - the behaviour and comments were appalling.

Perhaps some of the Quaynor booing resulted from frustration at our own team’s lack of mojo and also at an attempt to have a retort at the loud Collingwood crowd.

It’s football let’s move on -it’s not like we were playing against the Christian Boys choir the Collingwood club has constantly been involved in unsavoury moments

 

[CrowBloke]

Ive taken the idea that Nicks gets the blame and Nicks gets the kudos
So tonight he wears the blame

Fair enough.
Nicks was outCoached, but the players were out-pressured, out-worked, overwhelmed and shat the bed.

But bloody hell Murray had 2 weeks to work on strategies ( which is his remit) - either Nicks ignored them or the strategies were too out there for the players to manage

Maybe a bit of both?
Nicks swears by defence, yet allowed Moore and Naicos free rein/reign, while the match-ups on Elliot and Sidebottom failed.

Something went drastically wrong in the planning

Most definitely. Van Berlo needs a rocket from Nicks/Davis/the Club and anybody else with a footy brain who can see that RoB is not tapping to our mids' advantage and our mids are poorly positioned.
WHERE is their system/accountability, ffs?

Where was the Crows' intensity?
Wtf happened that they went back to old/failed hack-kicks with no composure and long bombs forward? (maybe because Nicks had them doing that for years to minimise loss-damage and it was their revert-to response?)
Fmd.

Pre-QF pressers reminded me of the early 2024-feel ("We'll be playing Finals") except it was:
" We definitely respect Collingwood and will need to bring our A-game" ... but really: "We've got this".

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Was quite a night

Top team beaten at home

0-4 in finals vs Collingwood

Our best player is out suspended

Our crowd booed a black player for his role in the Rankine saga, in an attempt to be branded both homophobic and racist in one fell swoop

And on the way home from the game I rear-ended a police car

Okay I made up that last bit

 

[kirky]

Been following the club for 37 years, **** me for not throwing the toys out the pram and melting off into a corner....

Not sure how you do that given we have only been around for 35 yrears.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Was quite a night

Top team beaten at home

0-4 in finals vs Collingwood

Our best player is out suspended

Our crowd booed a black player for his role in the Rankine saga, in an attempt to be branded both homophobic and racist in one fell swoop

And on the way home from the game I rear-ended a police car

Okay I made up that last bit

It really does fit so I wouldnt have been surprised.

 

[Carn The Texan]

I was in the crowd & didn't boo Quaynor. Neither did anyone around me... so it certainly wasn’t all the crowd only a minority.

As i said before the game, i don't understand why anyone would want to. Unfortunately there are idiots in all crowds, which you would know well as a Pies supporter.

I'm not listening the media as all they have done is inflamed the Rankine saga since day 1.

nobody in the southern stand on my level was booing quaynor.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Was quite a night

Top team beaten at home

0-4 in finals vs Collingwood

Our best player is out suspended

Our crowd booed a black player for his role in the Rankine saga, in an attempt to be branded both homophobic and racist in one fell swoop

And on the way home from the game I rear-ended a police car

Okay I made up that last bit

When walking through my local park this morning to work, a magpie was staring at me yodelling.

Got to laugh...