Autopsy Round 1 = Collingwood 69-102 Sydney

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stormskye said:
We can steady the ship. This obviously isn’t our brand.

That said geeze supporters can be fickle. Since 2018 our results have been
18- lost gf by a kick
19- lost prelim by a kick
20- lost semi (well beaten)
21- 2nd last
22- lost prelim by a kick
23- won the big dance

That’s an amazing record any way you put it. We’ve all known there’s a small cliff coming with our ageing list like Geel. Like Geel we snagged that flag before it came.

The issues we’ve all discussed on here and been aware of for some time is the lack of first round draft talent to replace those ageing stars. Through high finished or terrible trading we haven’t had access to top talent other than nick in some time.

At some point that’s going to catch up with us. Teams have highs and lows, no team stays up forever.

We won our flag. There’s plenty of time left in this season to right the ship, but this team is not a dynasty team, and we’ve all known this.
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I still can’t believe we won a premiership while paying for Treloar and Grundy to play elsewhere!
 
loki04 said:
The very first goal was Moore being beaten on a regulation lead and was exposed all night
Not sure why he escapes criticism and everyone points the finger at a 2nd gamer who in comparison did better on the night.
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Totally agree. Not only has his play been poor, his failure to show leadership has been more troubling.

It was very noticeable in the GWS game, that when the defense was a shambles, he didn't get them all together and rev them up. Last night was no better.
 
cwoodgal said:
Yeah this. Fly isn’t a Hardwick or Clarkson. Love fly with all my heart but I wish he had a more angry\ no nonsense approach at times. Kinda makes me miss Malthouse


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Just because Fly can control his emotions when in the media/visible to the public eye, I wouldn't assume that he can't issue a spray like any other when its appropriate. ie Behind closed doors. He played under Matthews, coached with Dimma etc etc. He knows what it takes to win.
 
Our disposal was shocking last night. Country league turnovers. More often than not they resulted in opposition goals. That’s not game plan or personnel. That’s a lack of care.
 
Fruit said:
Our disposal was shocking last night. Country league turnovers. More often than not they resulted in opposition goals. That’s not game plan or personnel. That’s a lack of care.
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It’s mostly a lack of confidence.

The mojo will return and so will the wins.
 

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DISLIKES​

PIES’ ‘THORNY’ SELECTION DILEMMAS​

Craig McRae was right when suggesting before the AFL’s Opening Round that smelling the roses was a therapeutic modern trait, but it’s approaching time he added a few thorns to the equation.

Collingwood’s 0-2 start is a concern, but it is fixable.

More troubling than that win-loss ledger is the lack of on-field connection and structure, the game style anomalies and horrendous turnovers far removed from the 2022-2023 template.

It is time to make a statement or two at the selection table.

McRae backs his players, but he has already shown he can make hard decisions (think John Noble in last year’s finals), and it’s time to do that again.

Ash Johnson won’t play against St Kilda next week — the coach has all but told us that — but he needs to go back to the VFL for an extended period of time.

He either learns to play with more urgency and impact, or he will forever be that ‘maybe’ player, who threatens to take a game apart but never quite manages to.

He got his hands to a lot of incoming balls, but spilled them like a fumbling slips fieldsman. His stats: three disposals, one mark and the equal lowest pressure points on the ground.

Reef McInnes should replace him against the Saints.

Finlay Macrae must play … a full game, not in the sub’s vest.

When Tom Mitchell was “managed” with an ankle niggle, it was assumed Macrae would start in the 22, so it was a surprise when he didn’t get that chance.

Macrae was targeted by rival clubs last trade period, but chose to stay and has since locked in to the end of 2025.

He turned 22 this week, and it is time to find out if he is going to become the player that most within the walls of the AIA Centre - and most of the fans - think he will be.

He needs an extended period at the coalface ... from the first bounce.

Young defender Charlie Dean is going to be a good AFL player, but understandably looks as if he still has ‘P’ Plates on in a wobbly Collingwood backline right now.

Nathan Murphy is sorely missed, but at the very best he is still six-to-eight weeks away from playing again.

Dean might well fill that spot in the time ahead, but for the moment, it wouldn’t hurt for him to have a spell in the VFL to build his confidence and game time experiences.

That would, however, require a re-think from the Magpies as Billy Frampton has been playing in attack in recent weeks, and would need to be recast as a defender again.

Over to you, Fly.

TURNOVER PIES OUT-TACKLED, OUTWORKED​

Friday night won’t be a comfortable review for Collingwood’s players with an emphasis on the turnover and tackling counts certain to be on McRae’s radar.

Collingwood tackle differential was an alarming -21 against the Swans, which was the worst for the club since McRae took over at the end of the 2021.

Seventeen Magpies had two or fewer tackles; two had none.

In contrast, the Swans were tackle happy, ripping into the contest with their 72-51 count an indication of their energy and intent.

Just as alarming for the Pies was the high volume of costly turnovers - some from players who rarely miss their targets including Scott Pendlebury, Darcy Moore, Isaac Quaynor and Steele Sidebottom.

Collingwood gave up 78 points off turnover, which is a headshaker, given the Magpies were the most efficient team in the AFL in that regard last season, averaging almost half of that tally in 2023.

Is that attitude, system or intent? We’ll soon find out.


 
Jen2310 said:

DISLIKES​

PIES’ ‘THORNY’ SELECTION DILEMMAS​

Craig McRae was right when suggesting before the AFL’s Opening Round that smelling the roses was a therapeutic modern trait, but it’s approaching time he added a few thorns to the equation.

Collingwood’s 0-2 start is a concern, but it is fixable.

More troubling than that win-loss ledger is the lack of on-field connection and structure, the game style anomalies and horrendous turnovers far removed from the 2022-2023 template.

It is time to make a statement or two at the selection table.

McRae backs his players, but he has already shown he can make hard decisions (think John Noble in last year’s finals), and it’s time to do that again.

Ash Johnson won’t play against St Kilda next week — the coach has all but told us that — but he needs to go back to the VFL for an extended period of time.

He either learns to play with more urgency and impact, or he will forever be that ‘maybe’ player, who threatens to take a game apart but never quite manages to.

He got his hands to a lot of incoming balls, but spilled them like a fumbling slips fieldsman. His stats: three disposals, one mark and the equal lowest pressure points on the ground.

Reef McInnes should replace him against the Saints.

Finlay Macrae must play … a full game, not in the sub’s vest.

When Tom Mitchell was “managed” with an ankle niggle, it was assumed Macrae would start in the 22, so it was a surprise when he didn’t get that chance.

Macrae was targeted by rival clubs last trade period, but chose to stay and has since locked in to the end of 2025.

He turned 22 this week, and it is time to find out if he is going to become the player that most within the walls of the AIA Centre - and most of the fans - think he will be.

He needs an extended period at the coalface ... from the first bounce.

Young defender Charlie Dean is going to be a good AFL player, but understandably looks as if he still has ‘P’ Plates on in a wobbly Collingwood backline right now.

Nathan Murphy is sorely missed, but at the very best he is still six-to-eight weeks away from playing again.

Dean might well fill that spot in the time ahead, but for the moment, it wouldn’t hurt for him to have a spell in the VFL to build his confidence and game time experiences.

That would, however, require a re-think from the Magpies as Billy Frampton has been playing in attack in recent weeks, and would need to be recast as a defender again.

Over to you, Fly.

TURNOVER PIES OUT-TACKLED, OUTWORKED​

Friday night won’t be a comfortable review for Collingwood’s players with an emphasis on the turnover and tackling counts certain to be on McRae’s radar.

Collingwood tackle differential was an alarming -21 against the Swans, which was the worst for the club since McRae took over at the end of the 2021.

Seventeen Magpies had two or fewer tackles; two had none.

In contrast, the Swans were tackle happy, ripping into the contest with their 72-51 count an indication of their energy and intent.

Just as alarming for the Pies was the high volume of costly turnovers - some from players who rarely miss their targets including Scott Pendlebury, Darcy Moore, Isaac Quaynor and Steele Sidebottom.

Collingwood gave up 78 points off turnover, which is a headshaker, given the Magpies were the most efficient team in the AFL in that regard last season, averaging almost half of that tally in 2023.

Is that attitude, system or intent? We’ll soon find out.


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Now this might sound extremely harsh but if Murphy is still 6-8 weeks I kinda hope he retires. He’s obviously worried about getting a head knock.
 
Jen2310 said:

DISLIKES​

PIES’ ‘THORNY’ SELECTION DILEMMAS​

Craig McRae was right when suggesting before the AFL’s Opening Round that smelling the roses was a therapeutic modern trait, but it’s approaching time he added a few thorns to the equation.

Collingwood’s 0-2 start is a concern, but it is fixable.

More troubling than that win-loss ledger is the lack of on-field connection and structure, the game style anomalies and horrendous turnovers far removed from the 2022-2023 template.

It is time to make a statement or two at the selection table.

McRae backs his players, but he has already shown he can make hard decisions (think John Noble in last year’s finals), and it’s time to do that again.

Ash Johnson won’t play against St Kilda next week — the coach has all but told us that — but he needs to go back to the VFL for an extended period of time.

He either learns to play with more urgency and impact, or he will forever be that ‘maybe’ player, who threatens to take a game apart but never quite manages to.

He got his hands to a lot of incoming balls, but spilled them like a fumbling slips fieldsman. His stats: three disposals, one mark and the equal lowest pressure points on the ground.

Reef McInnes should replace him against the Saints.

Finlay Macrae must play … a full game, not in the sub’s vest.

When Tom Mitchell was “managed” with an ankle niggle, it was assumed Macrae would start in the 22, so it was a surprise when he didn’t get that chance.

Macrae was targeted by rival clubs last trade period, but chose to stay and has since locked in to the end of 2025.

He turned 22 this week, and it is time to find out if he is going to become the player that most within the walls of the AIA Centre - and most of the fans - think he will be.

He needs an extended period at the coalface ... from the first bounce.

Young defender Charlie Dean is going to be a good AFL player, but understandably looks as if he still has ‘P’ Plates on in a wobbly Collingwood backline right now.

Nathan Murphy is sorely missed, but at the very best he is still six-to-eight weeks away from playing again.

Dean might well fill that spot in the time ahead, but for the moment, it wouldn’t hurt for him to have a spell in the VFL to build his confidence and game time experiences.

That would, however, require a re-think from the Magpies as Billy Frampton has been playing in attack in recent weeks, and would need to be recast as a defender again.

Over to you, Fly.

TURNOVER PIES OUT-TACKLED, OUTWORKED​

Friday night won’t be a comfortable review for Collingwood’s players with an emphasis on the turnover and tackling counts certain to be on McRae’s radar.

Collingwood tackle differential was an alarming -21 against the Swans, which was the worst for the club since McRae took over at the end of the 2021.

Seventeen Magpies had two or fewer tackles; two had none.

In contrast, the Swans were tackle happy, ripping into the contest with their 72-51 count an indication of their energy and intent.

Just as alarming for the Pies was the high volume of costly turnovers - some from players who rarely miss their targets including Scott Pendlebury, Darcy Moore, Isaac Quaynor and Steele Sidebottom.

Collingwood gave up 78 points off turnover, which is a headshaker, given the Magpies were the most efficient team in the AFL in that regard last season, averaging almost half of that tally in 2023.

Is that attitude, system or intent? We’ll soon find out.


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Hate the herald but that is a fair article. Disagree on Dean, think he should stay
 
loki04 said:
Defensive effort by the mids and fwds has not been there 2 weeks running.
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1000% this.

We got hammered in the middle last night. Refused to take front position a lot.

While the stats say we had more clearances….the way they exited was far better than us.
 
Is it me or does Fly look far more stressed this year?
He certainly had a range of emotions we haven’t seen before.

Sure we’ve lost before, but he looked perplexed and worried all night.
Which speaks little that maybe the players are no where near what he wants and the fix isn’t simple.

Next few weeks will be a curious watch.
 
TheVillageIdiot7 said:
Is it me or does Fly look far more stressed this year?
He certainly had a range of emotions we haven’t seen before.

Sure we’ve lost before, but he looked perplexed and worried all night.
Which speaks little that maybe the players are no where near what he wants and the fix isn’t simple.

Next few weeks will be a curious watch.
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He wasn’t happy last night.

Angry Fly will be unleashed next week.

Be afraid, be very afraid…
 
doofdoof said:
Totally agree. Not only has his play been poor, his failure to show leadership has been more troubling.

It was very noticeable in the GWS game, that when the defense was a shambles, he didn't get them all together and rev them up. Last night was no better.
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Could not agree more. We saw in that article The Directors Cut that Pendles was really the captain last year anyway. He led us in the granny. He was unlucky not to be flag captain because he would have to be 1 of our greatest leaders of all time. At the moment Moore is going from bad to worse though he is not alone on that score.
 
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