Autopsy Round 19, 2023: St.Kilda v North Melbourne

[The Punter]

They don't send Sicily to anyone.
He runs to the drop of the ball.
The other defenders block the forwards from getting there.

Do we play one short? It's still 18 v 18, right?

 

[Diehard Saint]

And constantly bringing up Ratts and st kilda

Did my head in.
"Grudge match" - I mean who gives a damn.

 

[The Punter]

Did my head in.
"Grudge match" - I mean who gives a damn.

Every time I am at the game and lamenting the fact I drove that far to see that, I remind myself it would be worse sitting at home listening to Dwayne.

 

[The Punter]

Was just looking at our team that played on the weekend. We couldn’t have been much older than north could have we? Put things into a little more perspective

Three oldest players and four of the five most experienced by games played yesterday were North Melbourne players.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Who said we are pinning our hopes on Hayes and Cordy? They are 2 of 25 in a team. It helps team structure but they aren't Bont and Hawkins, we all recognise that.
Hayes can rotate forward with Marshall, chops out in the ruck, frees up Owens etc, Cordy can play back or forward. But go ahead and tell us we are kidding ourselves that they are superstars if it make you feel good.

Only have to look back at the first 6 games when Cordy was there to see how he helped out the other forwards and the structure.
It feels like years ago, but it really wasn't.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Every time I am at the game and lamenting the fact I drove that far to see that, I remind myself it would be worse sitting at home listening to Dwayne.

100%
Unfortunately I chose the latter - wont happen again. Silly me.

 

[MickG88]

Did we have the youngest forward line in the AFL yesterday?

 

[The Punter]

Only have to look back at the first 6 games when Cordy was there to see how he helped out the other forwards and the structure.
It feels like years ago, but it really wasn't.

And he kicked 6 goals in 7 games forward. That's OK for what he was being asked to do.

 

[MordySaint]

You can say one thing about barracking for the Saints.... its never dull... and we love it !!!

 

[Klaatu]

I think we learnt a lot from the last game against Hawthorn and will be better from it.

Yeah Sicily monstered Caminiti last time moving him under the ball every time it came near them, infact he just ignored him and played his own game.

 

[Fehring]

I've been a fan of both Bytel and Clark for a long time, but I'm ready to move on from both. I'd offload Billings too, except there will be no takers. His two shots for goal in the last were dismal for a leader who is meant to be a beautiful kick of the footy.

I know Gresh can be frustrating, but his X factor puts him ahead of those guys. I'd be moving on those three (and others) while keeping Gresh, though the ITKs on here seem to think he's gone. Can't see us getting a first rounder for him, so I think we'll get reamed there.

Wilkie had his second absolute shocker for the year, but was good late. Dougal spudded it up early but also came good late.

Really hate the way that against both WC and Norf we hit the front on an absolute roll and then immediately went defensive. Could have kept the gas on in both games and won my 3 or 4 goals more.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Surely the first action to take has to be to fire all the sports psychologists on the clubs pay role.

Then drop the worst offender for effort and whichever player hit up the opposition defenders the most.

 

[bergholt]

Was just looking at our team that played on the weekend. We couldn’t have been much older than north could have we? Put things into a little more perspective

It was our second oldest side of the year I think, though not by much.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Do we play one short? It's still 18 v 18, right?

Despite what the team sheet shows, there are more players behind the ball.
We could fix it , but we'd have to bring our loose defender forward.

 

[The Punter]

Despite what the team sheet shows, there are more players behind the ball.
We could fix it , but we'd have to bring our loose defender forward.

Then fix it. We have trouble scoring.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Geez some of you are harsh on Bytel. Played on a wing which is mind boggling. Thought he did ok.

Yep I’ve been watching him pretty closely since draft and when he comes into the side he gets unlucky with injury or playing in some position or role that doesn’t suit him. His early games weren’t helped by being used as a tagger which is the sort of role that you forget he did years later and only see the low stats.

 

[Imtellingya]

And constantly bringing up Ratts and st kilda

Even admitted he’s not a fan of the Saints on SEN recently.

 

[St Kilda Death]

Did we have the youngest forward line in the AFL yesterday?

Probably most rounds this year id guess

 

[Ads734]

I’m glad to hear others see this because I’m a pretty amateur observer of the game and every time I see him on the screen he looks out of his depth. Nice to hear there’s more I’m not seeing!


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He may look like a bit of a dear in the headlights but he's a moments player at the moment. Its the marking, the handballs and the ability to spin in and out. If you check his stats tracking under 18 level, he got better every year.

 

[Ads734]

Yep I’ve been watching him pretty closely since draft and when he comes into the side he gets unlucky with injury or playing in some position or role that doesn’t suit him. His early games weren’t helped by being used as a tagger which is the sort of role that you forget he did years later and only see the low stats.

I just think it foten happans when guys come in and the team doesn;t perform it is always the guy who has just comein who cops it. Ie Windy earlier in the year. Bytel needs a clump of games an onballer not a winger.

 

[St Kilda Death]

If Hayes and Cordy are what we’re pinning our hopes on then we’re in all sorts. It’s not personnel IMO, it’s system and has been all year. Based off 14 years of coaching Ross doesn’t know offense and he needs to bring in someone that does.

Ross gets a rough rap for being poor offensively.
Yea it’s defense first.
He has an offence but he needs 2 good talls.

2009 (yes 15 year ago George)
Roo and Kosi.
We were a top 4 offence.

2010 Roo was injured
2011 Kosi was injured
2012 onward freo was unashamedly chasing a full forward throwing the chequebook at Jroo, Cloke among others to pair with Pav, until pav retired.

2023 king injuries and camaniti a boy.
Once he has these 2 up and about, look out I reckon.

 

[BrutThough]

St Kilda v North Melbourne​

10 Luke Davies-Uniacke

9

Luke Davies-uniacke

Age

24

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

CL

2.0

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

1.2

4star

(NMFC)
7 Ben McKay

32

Ben Mckay

Age

26

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

(NMFC)
5 Callum Wilkie

44

Callum Wilkie

Age

28

Ht

191cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

221.3

3star

D

12.6

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.6

2star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

223.1

3star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.2

4star

MG

170.0

3star

(STK)
4 Jack Steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

(STK)
2 Harry Sheezel (NMFC)
1 Jack Sinclair

35

Jack Sinclair

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

8.4

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

235.0

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

5.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

MG

376.0

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.2

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.0

4star

MG

138.2

3star

(STK)
1 Tarryn Thomas

26

Tarryn Thomas

Age

24

Ht

190cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

3.3

5star

CL

0.9

3star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.2

4star

CL

0.2

2star

D

12.8

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

0.4

3star

(NMFC)

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[Fehring]

Saints hard man Zak Jones with 2 contested posessions he did get a few clearances to his credit. Interesting why clearances aren't counted as contested possessions

North clearances, absolutely. They were waltzing out. But I'm surprised we had uncontested clearances!

And he kicked 6 goals in 7 games forward. That's OK for what he was being asked to do.

Cordy started well but really faded in his last couple of games forward (one disposal in his last game before being dropped, and he was subbed off three weeks in a row!). But more than the disposals and goals, early in the season he was playing a bullocking role and protecting the other forwards, but he seemed to have less impact without the ball in those later games.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

North clearances, absolutely. They were waltzing out. But I'm surprised we had uncontested clearances!


Cordy started well but really faded in his last couple of games forward (one disposal in his last game before being dropped, and he was subbed off three weeks in a row!). But more than the disposals and goals, early in the season he was playing a bullocking role and protecting the other forwards, but he seemed to have less impact without the ball in those later games.

Saints had 37 stoppage clearances vs 23 .
5 centre clearances vs 10.

Jones had three stoppage clearances.

 

[Speck]

It'd be awesome if someone with time on their hands made a Saints bloopers tape

Saints TV this would be good content!