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[Geoffa32]

That wasn't me saying it, and between their 70 possessions they wouldn't have hold a candle in effectiveness to say Rory getting 20.

That's not me mocking them, it's just obvious that some players are infinitely more damaging with far less touches. Rocky clearly being Port's equivalent.

And Ollie's effectiveness?

I rate Rocky quite highly. And Boak playing his proper role as well. The fact your midfield is more balanced this week without Ollie concerns me.

No doubt both Crouch's stat pad a bit. But curious to see how effectiveness is calculated. Especially given the defensive role Matt had last week in our backline which was important.




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[PAFC_1870]

And Ollie's effectiveness?

Well after reading that link with the players with the most clangers and seeing his name alongside Martin/Dangerfield/Selwood and countless others it's obviously something you can't just judge on a number.

If I were to think back to say Kornes, who also got a tonne of the ball, his best asset was he usually kept the oppositions best player under control (with the exception of Ablett), but he also had 30 plus touches with countless kicks backwards and sideways, many one two touches etc etc. They could be classed as effective disposals..... doesn't mean they are of course.... so obviously he wasn't damaging with the ball.

Rocky (and Wines) are far far more likely to be at the bottom of a pack, giving out a blind hand ball. Not getting cheap kicks out the back....

 

[70lethal]

Yeah that's all well and good, but you mocked Wines for being in a list that includes the best players in the competition.

If that's his biggest flaw, well....

I'm not gonna argue that Danger burns the ball with blind kicks fwd, but to even pretend he's a liability to a team is just embarrassing.

Those other players compensate for their stuff ups with absolute brilliance and win matches.
Ollie doesn't do that.
Ollie burns the ball and it costs Port significantly at times and that's why he's a liability especially with Rockliff in the side.

 

[PAFC_1870]

Those other players compensate for their stuff ups with absolute brilliance and win matches.
Ollie doesn't do that.
Ollie burns the ball and it costs Port significantly at times and that's why he's a liability especially with Rockliff in the side.

Pretty sure he absolutely killed Richmond last year, but sure, he's a spud, delist, cause we have a guy whose 5 years older....

Did you only watch that kick for goal last season?

 

[jo172]

Did you read my post entirely?

IF THE BALL IS COMING IN WELL.

How much of that has he had playing in a **** Gold Coast team and a very up and down Port team?

So the poor bloke is almost 30 years old and has never played in a teach that can use him. Shame.

Do you realistically anticipate that changing?

 

[rocket18]

Usually the answer is no, what you see is what you get.

But Dixon in the fwd line is still going to take the oppositions best defender, and more often than not 2.

However, I think we can agree that Dixon wouldn't share the big negative you could put on Tippet in that he doesn't use his weight to his advantage. Dixon is overdosed on Angry pills, Tippet wouldn't get his finger nails dirty...

Yeh, sorry my post wasn't that clear, I wasn't comparing the type of players they are - I was comparing they always get/got paid/plaudits on their potential - not their output over a season.

 

[PAFC_1870]

So the poor bloke is almost 30 years old and has never played in a teach that can use him. Shame.

Do you realistically anticipate that changing?

So it's Dixon's fault he played for Gold Coast?

And that same coach has followed him to Port?

 

[70lethal]

Pretty sure he absolutely killed Richmond last year, but sure, he's a spud, delist, cause we have a guy whose 5 years older....

Did you only watch that kick for goal last season?

No I'm remember seeing him on the weekend extremely upset with a handball that missed the mark by 5m and cost a goal.
Seriously though you have to admit his skills have actually gotten worst over the journey.

 

[PAFC_1870]

Yeh, sorry my post wasn't that clear, I wasn't comparing the type of players they are - I was comparing they always get/got paid/plaudits on their potential - not their output over a season.

As above, a coach that better utilizes him may well help... considering he's essentially had Hinkley his whole career...

 

[Grooster24]

Those other players compensate for their stuff ups with absolute brilliance and win matches.
Ollie doesn't do that.
Ollie burns the ball and it costs Port significantly at times and that's why he's a liability especially with Rockliff in the side.

What's Ollies score involvement compared to Dangerfiy and Martin? How many times do they drop Ollie into the forward line to generate goals? What's his inside 50s and goal assists like...?

I don't know the answer but I'm willing to bet they're nothing like Dangerfield and Martin. To justify Ollie being poor in
DE and Clangers by comparing him to elite players with similar stats in these categories (Danger and Dusty) and saying Ollie must also be good...is a ridiculous argument and poor logic.

Edit: personally I don't think Ollie is poor, but he's just average to above average.

 

[jo172]

So it's Dixon's fault he played for Gold Coast?

And that same coach has followed him to Port?

Or on the other hand, he might not be that good?

We seem to be jumping over Occam's Razor here to make him one of the unluckiest footballers to ever play the game.

Hell, Tom Lynch managed ok at the GC.

 

[PAFC_1870]

No I'm remember seeing him on the weekend extremely upset with a handball that missed the mark by 5m and cost a goal.
Seriously though you have to admit his skills have actually gotten worst over the journey.

I'm willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt when they've had no preseason. Even if that was his own fault, and I won't defend him for that.

 

[ChilliP]

Why on earth would we want to mimic ports guernsey in any way?????


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Only one reason, to annoy them.

 

[Jarman3]

So it's Dixon's fault he played for Gold Coast?

And that same coach has followed him to Port?

Other way round - Dixon followed Hinkley to Port. So presumably Charlie, at least, is happy with the way Ken coaches him or he would have gone elsewhere.

 

[PAFC_1870]

What's his inside 50s and goal assists like...?

47th in the league for inside 50s in 2018 on a quick look, 72nd for Goal assists.

In a team that frankly couldn't kick a goal, so on face value that seems ok.

Bont and Gaff were 92nd on Goal Assists... Treloar, Gaff and others behind on inside 50s....

So stats can mean nothing.

 

[PAFC_1870]

Other way round - Dixon followed Hinkley to Port. So presumably Charlie, at least, is happy with the way Ken coaches him or he would have gone elsewhere.

Well he gets along with players, that's his asset.

Not gonna defend his match day tactics. Richo and Walsh were huge losses for him.

 

[70lethal]

Well after reading that link with the players with the most clangers and seeing his name alongside Martin/Dangerfield/Selwood and countless others it's obviously something you can't just judge on a number.

If I were to think back to say Kornes, who also got a tonne of the ball, his best asset was he usually kept the oppositions best player under control (with the exception of Ablett), but he also had 30 plus touches with countless kicks backwards and sideways, many one two touches etc etc. They could be classed as effective disposals..... doesn't mean they are of course.... so obviously he wasn't damaging with the ball.

Rocky (and Wines) are far far more likely to be at the bottom of a pack, giving out a blind hand ball. Not getting cheap kicks out the back....

While Rockliff does get contested possessions he is one of the greatest seagulls of all time.
Currently leads your uncontested possessions

 

[GROTTO]

I love how Port posters are posting in here, our arch rivals and yet we ban the entire Blues supporters from coming in here.

Just shows what a bunch of campaigners they are.

 

[jo172]

I love how Port posters are posting in here, our arch rivals and yet we ban the entire Blues supporters from coming in here.

Just shows what a bunch of campaigners they are.

Port supporters retain a semblance of rationality.

Hell, since the 2017 GF we tend to share a pessimism.

 

[GROTTO]

Port supporters retain a semblance of rationality.

Hell, since the 2017 GF we tend to share a pessimism.

+1

Thats because Port posters dont come on here and talk shit and say we are winning the flag this year and then derail threads justifying it. Its the same as Carlton supporters saying they will win 8-10 games.

 

[70lethal]

47th in the league for inside 50s in 2018 on a quick look, 72nd for Goal assists.

In a team that frankly couldn't kick a goal, so on face value that seems ok.

Bont and Gaff were 92nd on Goal Assists... Treloar, Gaff and others behind on inside 50s....

So stats can mean nothing.

You need to look at averages not totals. Gaff and Treloar missed games.
Wines doesnt rate in top 100 in score involvements and only 9th on your list.
Danger and Martin 50% more per game

 

[70lethal]

Port supporters retain a semblance of rationality.

Hell, since the 2017 GF we tend to share a pessimism.

our 2019 draft picks 1 19

 

[Footypie32]

Port will be without Wines, Jonas, Gray, Ebert, Harlett, Watts, Dixon

that has to be between 1000-1200 games of experience

Knowing Port "1870" Power though, they probably count junior footy games as well.

So about 20,000 - 30,000 games.

 

[GremioPower]

PAFC_1870

Mate,

 

[PAFC_1870]

Wines doesnt rate in top 100 in score involvements and only 9th on your list.
Danger and Martin 50% more per game

You can't just knock him for saying he doesn't do such and such when he may be playing a specific role to his team.

Ollie's job first and foremost would be to get the hard ball, and give it off to someone like Polec last season.

I'm not suggesting for a moment he's living up to his potential, at this point, but the guy's 24 years old, I'm not gonna write him off.

But to even pretend he somehow isn't good enough to even make your 22 is just blatantly silly.

That'd be like Port saying, well, we have Jonas, Clurey, Houston and Howard so Tahlia won't get a game for us...