Silvagni Sacked - Jack arcs up.
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Shane Heard
Brownlow Medallist
- Mar 11, 2018
- 10,281
- 17,283
- AFL Club
- Essendon
Ahhh...yes. I’d completely forgot.
3 of them. David in particular was diabolically dismal. Poor kid.
He played 85 games for Richmond and 1 for North and the only thing i remember is 1 great mark and him being 2 kgs lighter after finishing than he was when he started. 194cm 80kgs FMD
Shane Heard
Brownlow Medallist
- Mar 11, 2018
- 10,281
- 17,283
- AFL Club
- Essendon
Was probably a vegan. Pretty hard to put on weight when you don’t eat meat.
Either that or he just had high metabolism.
I predicted 8-10 wins earlier, so no, not really.
2015:
Weitering
McKay
C Curnow
Cunninham
J Silvagni
Glass-McCasker
Galluci
2016:
SPS
Fischer
McReady
Polson
Williamson
Kerr
LeBoise
A Silvagni
Galluci
2017:
Dow
Obrien
Dekoning
Schumacher
garlett
Oshea
Shaw
2018:
DeLuca
Walsh
Stocker
Odwyer
B Silvagni
Goddard
Bugg
Just looking at that I think I see six good players, and four reasonable. Not terrible. Not quite enough.
I think a lot of the time SOS was relying on trades rather than draft, more heavily that most list managers. In that I don't think he had strong results.
The strike rate on trades or drafting would be barely 50% for the best list managers, so the above feels fairly normal. Maybe with so many early picks they could have done a bit better.
Weitering
McKay
C Curnow
Cunninham
J Silvagni
Glass-McCasker
Galluci
2016:
SPS
Fischer
McReady
Polson
Williamson
Kerr
LeBoise
A Silvagni
Galluci
2017:
Dow
Obrien
Dekoning
Schumacher
garlett
Oshea
Shaw
2018:
DeLuca
Walsh
Stocker
Odwyer
B Silvagni
Goddard
Bugg
Just looking at that I think I see six good players, and four reasonable. Not terrible. Not quite enough.
I think a lot of the time SOS was relying on trades rather than draft, more heavily that most list managers. In that I don't think he had strong results.
The strike rate on trades or drafting would be barely 50% for the best list managers, so the above feels fairly normal. Maybe with so many early picks they could have done a bit better.
Yeah mate and i can only see six good players at Richmond yet they've won two of the last three grand finals.
Everyone has an opinion, quite obvious my post went over your head.
Sixpence
Brownlow Medallist
It's a strange argument for a Swans supporter to make when Blakey's dad is Director of Coaching at the Swans!
Why does it worry you how we rate our list?
Interesting point. Probably depends on the exact role. Conflicts of interest happen throughout the game, it’s just a question of materiality.
Theres less of a conflict of interest in being a member of the coaching team (where your role is improving everybody). Compared to list management (where decisions about recruiting, not recruiting, retaining or delisting players can affect the careers of your sons).
I actually agree with this. And I think secretly, a lot of Carlton fans would too.
However their annoyance stems from the fact that Liddle is playing the 'conflict' card when everyone knows it was his meddling in list management that caused the fallout.
I didn't make any comparison, i simply stated that i think Richmond has only six good players yet they've won two out of three flags. Is that a bit difficult for you to understand? But that was only in replying to that post, i was only stating that everyone is allowed an opinion. So don't make things up.
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There is a clear conflict of interest if your role directly influences/decides on the recruiting/trading/retaining/delisting of your sons, there is no argument otherwise.
What is odd, is that this conflict of interest isn't new information, they didn't become his sons in the last 6 months. If that was a key reason, it should have been identified, explored and explained years ago as to how it would be addressed and in what circumstances. You can't just pop up years later and use the COI cop out.
What is odd, is that this conflict of interest isn't new information, they didn't become his sons in the last 6 months. If that was a key reason, it should have been identified, explored and explained years ago as to how it would be addressed and in what circumstances. You can't just pop up years later and use the COI cop out.
I think in the Carlton forum yesterday that was put to bed and the Liddle/Ellis thing was explained , It was not Liddle that caused it but more he was the person entrusted with the duty to carry this out by the list management team.
Carlton have been pro active and come out and explained the situation and if this was not the situation then silvagni has the chance to state his view which he has not done.
I acknowledge Carlton’s playing list 2014 was inadequate, our recruiting dept those days was as inadequate.
I agree with SOS’s “high churn” strategy 2015-2018. We HAD to do something radical to find short-mid term competitive talent, most cost us very little or zip...
I can think of a handful of clubs who historically have done far worse at recruiting and for decades..
- Dec 10, 2011
- 8,226
- 16,753
- AFL Club
- Richmond
- Other Teams
- Liverpool, NY Giants, NY Mets
- Oct 5, 2004
- 12,334
- 12,892
- AFL Club
- Richmond
- Other Teams
- Richmond
Disagree with they cost you nothing. The rubbish players you picked up took a list spot away from a talented kid like Tom Papley or Tippa. The fact SOS tried to rectify this four years later with Tom shows it was a major miss in his list strategy. It’s a hard one to evaluate though as SOS record beyond first rounders in the draft has been less than flash.
And yeah, there’s probably been sides who have had poor recruiting for decades, but is this the benchmark you really want to evaluate the SOS legacy by?
- Oct 25, 2001
- 13,201
- 10,218
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
- Other Teams
- IOM Gyms, Preston Nth End
Apologies, I'll rustle up a kiddies version for you m7.
