Since 1995 We have had 11 premiers

[RobbieGray17]

This is the reason we should NOT change our game, the game works fine. Roo made comments in the paper the other day about conferences. While the idea sounds cute, its not an issue.

If you look to the NBA, they have 30 teams, and over the last 30 years, they've managed to find only 8 different championship winners.

13 out of the 16 teams have been involved in a grand final. (not including GWS and Gold Coast)

Fremantle, Richmond and Bulldogs haven't made the GF, however the Bulldogs have at least made a number of prelim finals.

Leaving just Freo and Richmond to have been the only clubs to have really failed to have a genuine chance at a premiership.

Those two teams interestingly have a genuine chance in the next 3 years.

Leave the game as it is.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

interesting post

 

[KAYNE]

I agree, we try to change everything far too often. Probably because there is to much media drivel and they need to fill in time. Also when people talk about the EPL and how great it is but only 5 teams can win the thing it's pointless!

 

[GeelongFTW]

I agree, we try to change everything far too often. Probably because there is to much media drivel and they need to fill in time. Also when people talk about the EPL and how great it is but only 5 teams can win the thing it's pointless!

As long as one of team is Chelsea.

 

[MarkCatsFan]

Agreed completely. We have one of the most equal games, everybody in the media is so reactionary though. Because we have 3-4 teams that are down right now suddenly it is cause to change everything


Melbourne are down but have a list that is capable of getting somewhere in the next 5 years. The Doggies are down but those kids will be absolute guns in three years. Gold Coast are already well on their way. And GWS are in their 2nd year, next year I'm sure they will improve a hell of a lot. And then you have Brisbane and Port Adelaide who last weekend beat 2 of the flag favourites.


We are on the verge of some of the most exciting seasons of football ever with teams like Gold Coast and Port already starting to hit their stride, and Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney and others still right up there. Don't change anything.

 

[BC9_]

Richmond were at least in the preliminary finals in 1995 and 2001, those chances were pretty 'genuine'.

You are right though, leave it how it is.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

It doesn't mean there aren't things that can't be fixed to make it better though. The comp has been fairly even over the last 20 years however changes made in recent years (which we won't see the effects of for another 5-10 years) have the ability to make it a two-tiered (or three-tiered) comp. there are also issues with fans enjoyment of the game and value for money which need to be considered rather than just a blanket look at the number of different premiers over a given period.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Leave the game stop mucking around with the rules and we have the problem sorted

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Agreed, I don't think I'll ever be able to accept the concept of conferences, it's been the way it is for so long now and to suddenly have the teams split up will just feel to weird and untraditional. Leave it as it is.

 

[Final Siren]

This is the reason we should NOT change our game, the game works fine.

How does that follow? The AFL messed with the game every five minutes during 1995-2012. Key rules like Priority Draft Picks and even the Finals System were given multiple overhauls. How you can you point to that period as evidence for things working fine when left alone?

 

[hcd199]

Major changes like a move to conferences have the potential to cause particularly bad problems for the way we look at things. Minor tweaking is fine - see the changes mentioned by Final Siren above, for example.

 

[millsy29gopies]

Yep, you can bag the AFL admin all you want but the majority of decisions made in the past 30 years like the draft, salary cap etc. have made our game fair for all teams and have benefitted the game

 

[Byron_Clanger]

I'd hate it if the AFL ended up like the Premier League and only had 4 teams who had a legit shot to win it every year

 

[SaintLex]

I agree conferences are not the way to go, but I still think we can always tinker with trying to make the game more equal financially, starting with the AFL buying Etihad.

 

[Seeds]

This is the reason we should NOT change our game, the game works fine. Roo made comments in the paper the other day about conferences. While the idea sounds cute, its not an issue.

If you look to the NBA, they have 30 teams, and over the last 30 years, they've managed to find only 8 different championship winners.

13 out of the 16 teams have been involved in a grand final. (not including GWS and Gold Coast)

Fremantle, Richmond and Bulldogs haven't made the GF, however the Bulldogs have at least made a number of prelim finals.

Leaving just Freo and Richmond to have been the only clubs to have really failed to have a genuine chance at a premiership.

Those two teams interestingly have a genuine chance in the next 3 years.

Leave the game as it is.

Since when does evenness of the competition mean the AFL is working. In fact having a competition that is too even is just as bad as having one that is too one sided. We need championship teams just as much as much as we need evenness.

 

[Seeds]

Conferences is the only way to make the draw fair if we don't have 17 games. There is no other way.

 

[Ron The Bear]

The average number of different premiers among the 11 long-standing VFL clubs + Fitzroy over any 15-year period from 1925 to current is 6.21. For the last five spans - 1994-2008 to 1998-2012 - the number is 6, despite losing Fitzroy and gaining 7 new clubs which have won eight premierships between them. I don't think variety has been a problem in the AFL to this stage.

 

[Seeds]

Agreed, I don't think I'll ever be able to accept the concept of conferences, it's been the way it is for so long now and to suddenly have the teams split up will just feel to weird and untraditional. Leave it as it is.

By that argument we can say that Adelaide should never joined the competition back in the early 1990's. We could of also used that argument to stop salary caps and the draft. Do you think we should have?

 

[Seeds]

This is the reason we should NOT change our game, the game works fine. Roo made comments in the paper the other day about conferences. While the idea sounds cute, its not an issue.

If you look to the NBA, they have 30 teams, and over the last 30 years, they've managed to find only 8 different championship winners.

13 out of the 16 teams have been involved in a grand final. (not including GWS and Gold Coast)

Fremantle, Richmond and Bulldogs haven't made the GF, however the Bulldogs have at least made a number of prelim finals.

Leaving just Freo and Richmond to have been the only clubs to have really failed to have a genuine chance at a premiership.

Those two teams interestingly have a genuine chance in the next 3 years.

Leave the game as it is.

Are you a communist by any chance?

 

[Ketchup]

If we had a luxury cap system in our game im certain we would only have about 8 premiers in the last 30 years aswell.

 

[lmach]

As long as one of team is Chelsea.

Nahhhhh.

 

[gbatman]

Thank You!

This is why our draft works. This is why our system of salary caps and drafting based on ladder positions is one of if the not best systems in world sport.

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

Thank You!

This is why our draft works. This is why our system of salary caps and drafting based on ladder positions is one of if the not best systems in world sport.

Which is also why Over the top drafting concessions for start-up franchises in response to previous under-support, may affect the integrity of the competition in years to come. I've spoken to a few visiting US sports fans recently, and their response to the first round draft concessions for GC and GWS has been WTF? But anyway, probably for a different thread.

 

[PCORF]

Fremantle, Richmond and Bulldogs haven't made the GF, however the Bulldogs have at least made a number of prelim finals.

Fremantle made 1 preliminary final in 2006, Richmond did in 1995 and 2001.

 

[PP34]

But it's not fair, it's dominated by the big fish.

/Vlad