South Africa v Australia in SA [5 ODIs 2023 (Sep 7-Sep 17)]

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While I would expect history to ensure they don’t win it, they have beaten England and India in bi-lateral series over the last year and a half as well.
But couldn't beat West Indies, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or Ireland.
 
But couldn't beat West Indies, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or Ireland.

Indeed, though I think only the Bangladesh result qualifies as a disaster given that they lost a home series to them.

Losing 2-1 away to SL, drawing 1-1 against West Indies and even dropping a game to Ireland arent the sort of result that should have them reaching for the white flag. Not sure who they picked during the other series but some of the players they fielded in their loss to WI were, well, let’s just leave it at ‘not Garfield Sobers.’
 
Well that wasn't fun

Really really struggling chasing a total

I thought we bowled okay apart form the last two overs which was crap

Fielding is crap greenie the only one who can take a decent catch...and he consistently has dropped catches of his own bowling.

Batting and the middle order a huge issue. Playing two keepers in the same team in the middle order is just not working both are struggling to scores runs consistently. Play one and put them back in the traditional batting position for a keeper and that is number seven.

David the experiment has not worked...looks a terrible cricketer in the field and with the bat...t20 specialist only

Greenie needs more time in the middle shame he missed 3 games...3 games in India will do him good

I can't see us winning the world cup from here too many issues with the batting and too many players out of form or injured.

Think we need to go back to basics and play a bit more traditionaly....and i think Head will be out

Warner
Marsh
Smith
labs
Green
Maxwell
Carey
Starc
Cummins/Agar
Zampa
Hazelwood

Thats the team I would go for...if short comes in to open marsh to three and .....labs out
 
Well that wasn't fun

Really really struggling chasing a total

I thought we bowled okay apart form the last two overs which was crap

Fielding is crap greenie the only one who can take a decent catch...and he consistently has dropped catches of his own bowling.

Batting and the middle order a huge issue. Playing two keepers in the same team in the middle order is just not working both are struggling to scores runs consistently. Play one and put them back in the traditional batting position for a keeper and that is number seven.

David the experiment has not worked...looks a terrible cricketer in the field and with the bat...t20 specialist only

Greenie needs more time in the middle shame he missed 3 games...3 games in India will do him good

I can't see us winning the world cup from here too many issues with the batting and too many players out of form or injured.

Think we need to go back to basics and play a bit more traditionaly....and i think Head will be out

Warner
Marsh
Smith
labs
Green
Maxwell
Carey
Starc
Cummins/Agar
Zampa
Hazelwood

Thats the team I would go for...if short comes in to open marsh to three and .....labs out
Green to open and Marsh to stay at three the other option.

I wouldn't be bringing in Short in, there's often a gulf between international and domestic cricket, as well as T20 and ODI, to the point I wouldn't make such a drastic change on the eve of the biggest tournament.
 
Green to open and Marsh to stay at three the other option.

I wouldn't be bringing in Short in, there's often a gulf between international and domestic cricket, as well as T20 and ODI, to the point I wouldn't make such a drastic change on the eve of the biggest tournament.
Yeah green to open and marsh three could work. Marsh needs to bat in the top three

I think short has been called into the squad for the three odi games in india. If he goes well could get the spot at the top
 
Well that wasn't fun

Really really struggling chasing a total

I thought we bowled okay apart form the last two overs which was crap

Fielding is crap greenie the only one who can take a decent catch...and he consistently has dropped catches of his own bowling.

Batting and the middle order a huge issue. Playing two keepers in the same team in the middle order is just not working both are struggling to scores runs consistently. Play one and put them back in the traditional batting position for a keeper and that is number seven.

David the experiment has not worked...looks a terrible cricketer in the field and with the bat...t20 specialist only

Greenie needs more time in the middle shame he missed 3 games...3 games in India will do him good

I can't see us winning the world cup from here too many issues with the batting and too many players out of form or injured.

Think we need to go back to basics and play a bit more traditionaly....and i think Head will be out

Warner
Marsh
Smith
labs
Green
Maxwell
Carey
Starc
Cummins/Agar
Zampa
Hazelwood

Thats the team I would go for...if short comes in to open marsh to three and .....labs out
Don't think we play can all 3 quicks.
Agar should play, probably at the expense of Hazlewood but I'd prefer Cummins.

Have a look at that battling line up after Labs.
Green out of form.
Maxxy has missed heaps of ricket.
Carey not in great nick. I know he got a 99.

That side will be lucky to make the semi finals IMO.
 

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Don't think we play can all 3 quicks.
Agar should play, probably at the expense of Hazlewood but I'd prefer Cummins.

Have a look at that battling line up after Labs.
Green out of form.
Maxxy has missed heaps of ricket.
Carey not in great nick. I know he got a 99.

That side will be lucky to make the semi finals IMO.
Yeah its not looking good tuggs...we do have good form in india with the white ball games so hope that continues.

I did notice that a lot of wickets last night to Jansen was to the shorter ball...don't think we are going to get that bounce in india so that should help

Agree with Agar coming in if the conditions suit ...I would have cummins to go out Smith to captain

Greenie needs time in the middle ..his bowling fielding fine needs time with the bat...hopefully gets it these next three games in india

Maxi really doesn't need a lot of cricket...and really the more he plays he struggles.....he is the kind of player that only needs one innings to get going

Carey really struggling just would like to see him go to the number seven role and bat with the tail...he is just not working in the top 5

The side can still go well just need our middle order to really knuckle down and start performing
 
Great start to tour, shocking end.
Warner and Marnus enhanced their reputations.
I was impressed with Tanveer and Abbott at various stages.

Surely we are near the end of the road with Stoinis and A Zampa?
Stoinis opening the bowling didn't look right - Stoinis could have anything as a player....let's hope he has a huge world cup with the bat.

Hazlewood had a shocker and confirms to me that his time as an international player is all but done.

Ellis - a huge hearted cricketer but just lacks some class in the ODI level - T20 probably suits him more.

Zampa. Play him in the world cup and then player Tanveer - he is the future.

Sean Abbott impressed me. He'd be a very capable third seamer in most international sides.

All in all - hard to know where we sit....time will tell.
 
Great start to tour, shocking end.
Warner and Marnus enhanced their reputations.
I was impressed with Tanveer and Abbott at various stages.

Surely we are near the end of the road with Stoinis and A Zampa?
Stoinis opening the bowling didn't look right - Stoinis could have anything as a player....let's hope he has a huge world cup with the bat.

Hazlewood had a shocker and confirms to me that his time as an international player is all but done.

Ellis - a huge hearted cricketer but just lacks some class in the ODI level - T20 probably suits him more.

Zampa. Play him in the world cup and then player Tanveer - he is the future.

Sean Abbott impressed me. He'd be a very capable third seamer in most international sides.

All in all - hard to know where we sit....time will tell.
My understanding is Zampa and Stoinis will retire from ODI cricket after the World Cup and T20I cricket after the 2024 World Cup. A long with a whole heap of players who will all join the franchise circuit.
 
Great start to tour, shocking end.
Warner and Marnus enhanced their reputations.
I was impressed with Tanveer and Abbott at various stages.

Surely we are near the end of the road with Stoinis and A Zampa?
Stoinis opening the bowling didn't look right - Stoinis could have anything as a player....let's hope he has a huge world cup with the bat.

Hazlewood had a shocker and confirms to me that his time as an international player is all but done.

Ellis - a huge hearted cricketer but just lacks some class in the ODI level - T20 probably suits him more.

Zampa. Play him in the world cup and then player Tanveer - he is the future.

Sean Abbott impressed me. He'd be a very capable third seamer in most international sides.

All in all - hard to know where we sit....time will tell.
It seemed Stoinis was used to open the bowling so Abbott could come in first change, which is what he might do in a full strength side as opposed to opening the bowling. Think I saw comments form Marsh that said as much.

I wonder how much of Zampa's form relates to his injury niggle vs. actually being out of form? He is one of our strike weapons so if not taking wickets then that's a huge concern. As opposed to someone like Agar who's job is to bowl tight.
 

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