TD RD17 Thread

[mattys123]

Cameron Wood.

This is a thread by request from Dave/DTM/TradeDraft.

But I thought it had some merit.

Basically, the question Dave wanted to ask was;

Does Cameron Wood take footy seriously?

Dave was asking this question more based off reports that Wood was seen in a very "drunk" state during the mid season break, at the same venue as Swan was assaulted at the other day. (Eve nightclub).

My thoughts;

Like most AFL players, what happens off the field isn't always the greatest indicator of what happens on the field.
Wood has some talent, of that there is no doubt, but whether he has the ultimate motivation and drive to convert that talent into a successful AFL career as a ruckman, only he and those "inside" the club can really answer.

I see Wood as a player who, come September, will be looking on at other players like Jolly and Leeroy, and thinking to himself, "that should/could be me".

I firmly believe the club has to have a very frank and honest discussion with Wood after the season, about whether or not his sole focus is Football, and if he wants to remain at Collingwood.

At the moment, Wood is my "prime candidate" to be the uncontracted player to go the Gold Coast.

I hope he doesn't leave, but at the moment he is doing a good impersonation of Guy Richards or Steven Mckee.

Thoughts?

 

[Keele]

Re: Cameron Wood.

Dave was asking this question more based off reports that Wood was seen in a very "drunk"

There were other players there by the report from the witness who made these claims and this is relying on one witness?.

I for one will not judge Wood on one persons opinion of how he was acting that night.

 

[Old Spice]

Re: Cameron Wood.

Whether he stays or goes, we need to go after a player like Currie who sounds promising but behind Seaby and Mummy. A straight player swap or maybe 2nd round pick.

Best would be for Wood to stay. I think his potential is good and is the right age for ruck succession at our club - coming into his own as Jolly is dropping off.

Look at Carlton's ruck division, pretty solid, but all the same age which means one would surely be looking to go elsewhere.

 

[buzzbuzz]

Re: Cameron Wood.

Honestly? I think this kind of discussion is where we cross the line from fans to... something I'm not quite comfortable with. It's not our place to discuss Wood's state of intoxication as reported by some anonymous internet posters. I come here to discuss footy. Games, players, performances, stats, results. It's definitely tough to know where each and every poster draws the line, but I have to say that an in-depth discussion in whether or not Cameron Wood takes football seriously enough is something best left to the Collingwood staff.

We're honestly just speculating, and even if we weren't it's not a discussion for a public forum. I'd love him to regain form and break into the seniors, and I wouldn't mind us trading him if that's what both parties wanted but... yeah. I dunno. Is that fair enough? Or am I being overly sensitive?

 

[Keele]

Re: Cameron Wood.

Honestly? I think this kind of discussion is where we cross the line from fans to... something I'm not quite comfortable with. It's not our place to discuss Wood's state of intoxication as reported by some anonymous internet posters. I come here to discuss footy. Games, players, performances, stats, results. It's definitely tough to know where each and every poster draws the line, but I have to say that an in-depth discussion in whether or not Cameron Wood takes football seriously enough is something best left to the Collingwood staff.

We're honestly just speculating, and even if we weren't it's not a discussion for a public forum. I'd love him to regain form and break into the seniors, and I wouldn't mind us trading him if that's what both parties wanted but... yeah. I dunno. Is that fair enough? Or am I being overly sensitive?

Correct.... and I am with you on that

 

[Bay Pie]

Re: Cameron Wood.

I, too couldn't give a rats arse if a player gets on the piss during the season and is rotten, as long as it is within the leadership guidelines etc. Going out on designated night and curfew adhered too, if one.

As far as his footy goes, he's a bit in limbo. He is not going to get that 2nd ruck spot based on all players form. If you are only going to play 20% time in the ruck, you need to do something else for 80% other then pull splinters out of your arse.

Wood, in all likelihood could be in the same position for the next few years, barring injury (touch wood, no pun intended) because Jolly will always be the no.1 ruck.

I really want to keep Wood because once Jolly is done, Wood will be 27/28 and in his prime. Is he willing to play a role like this for the next few years? I doubt it, and wouldn't surprise me to see him seek a trade for more opportunities.

 

[mattys123]

Re: Cameron Wood.

I didn't agree with Dave in regards to discussing Wood's intoxicated state or not, but I do think a discussion of Wood's career and how he is developing at VFL level is a relevant topic, and one that could be vital to our premiership chances over the next few years.

My thought is that we are basically "gettin away with" playing Leigh Brown as the second ruck, as other clubs really haven't put in place strategies to tear him apart in that position yet, but they soon will.

We will need a second "specialist" ruckman, probably as early as next season, because other top teams will figure out ways to exploit our current ruck setup after a period of time has passed.

Wood is a concern, how concerned we should be is the question IMO.

 

[Mickaman]

Re: Cameron Wood.

I am not that interested in how drunk Wood may or may not have been on a mid season breaks doesn't mean squat to me. Players are not robots and need some down time too. Going by what I have read he was not the only player drinking.

My main issue is that I don't think he is up to AFL standard sure he may have had a good game or two but he has not been consistently good . He is Guy Richards mark 2 and we wasted a first round pick on him. Brisbane must have been licking their lips at the thought of trading Wood for a first round draft pick.

 

[Optimax]

Re: Cameron Wood.

I am not that interested in how drunk Wood may or may not have been on a mid season breaks doesn't mean squat to me. Players are not robots and need some down time too. Going by what I have read he was not the only player drinking.

My main issue is that I don't think he is up to AFL standard sure he may have had a good game or two but he has not been consistently good . He is Guy Richards mark 2 and we wasted a first round pick on him. Brisbane must have been licking their lips at the thought of trading Wood for a first round draft pick.

Yeah agree with all of that, sad part is he has all the tools and is quite talented, just shows no drive to succeed on field

 

[smiddaz123]

Re: Cameron Wood.

It's frustrating, because he has some serious talent imo. Good skills, good overhead, good tap work, mobile enough to be useful around the ground. I've always questioned our ability to develop ruckmen, but that doesn't account for a lack of effort and laziness.

As for getting smashed mid week, it doesn't matter at all. Some AFL players decide to avoid alcohol at all costs, and sacrifice their social lives during the season, but I'd say that's going beyond the expectations of an AFL player, it isn't really a requirement.

 

[AsianWithAFro]

Re: Cameron Wood.

I couldn't give a shit what Dave has say

I think Wood will and should stay. Nothing wrong with having good ruck stocks and I believe he can be a really good ruckman for us.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Re: Cameron Wood.

Whether he stays or goes, we need to go after a player like Currie who sounds promising but behind Seaby and Mummy. A straight player swap or maybe 2nd round pick.

Best would be for Wood to stay. I think his potential is good and is the right age for ruck succession at our club - coming into his own as Jolly is dropping off.

Look at Carlton's ruck division, pretty solid, but all the same age which means one would surely be looking to go elsewhere.

The Currie idea is a possible and logical route that could certainly be considered. He would be a serviceable possible backup/ depth ruckman which is ok, but Currie I wouldn't persue so agressively.

I'm personally not fussed at all with our ruck devision as it stands, because Fraser and Wood are fine as depth ruckman and Wood still "has time to develop".

If anything I'd go the recycled route because we might have a chance at a Jamie Charman or Steven King who are both decent ruckman who could provide solid depth in that position, and it is a very low risk and possible reasonable return possibility which is why I would favour it if we indeed did decide we wanted another ruckman. Otherwise Orren Stephenson who is a dominant VFL level ruckman likewise is a solid ruckman who while he isn't fantastic around the ground is competitive in the ruckman who can beat AFL standard rucks, I see him as being very draftable to a club like Hawthorn who really need a no.1 ruckman. At minimum again for depth reasons if Jolly gets injured Stephenson would be fantastic insurance.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Re: Cameron Wood.

I haven't really seen much of Wood in recent times, but my experience in Brisbane wasn't that he WAS lazy, but more than he just appears lazy.

He just has a demeanour which gives the impression that he lacks spark and enthusiasm.

Or maybe he is lazy... you guys have seen a lot more of him recently than me.

 

[robertg22]

Re: Cameron Wood.

With regards to Wood, am not upset at the club for taking the gamble and spending a first round draft pick on him. At the time we desperately needed to bring a new ruckman through to support Josh. Now Jolly has come along (and probably has 4 good seasons left in him after this one) we do need to look to the future and try to find our next ruckman, but we're set up nicely now IMO.
Wood has the ability to be a front line ruckman in the league but unfortunately his application isn't what is expected of a Collingwood footballer. I had a chat to a senior Collingwood player at the start of last season who couldn't work Wood out, saying that on the training track and practice games he showed great signs but never really got it to happen on the field. From what I've seen of him in the VFL this year he has been poor. His ruckwork is consistently good but his around the ground work has basically been non-existent.

 

[mattys123]

Re: Cameron Wood.

His ruckwork is consistently good but his around the ground work has basically been non-existent.

They really should add that "definition" to the Oxford English Dictionary under the heading "Young Collingwood Ruckman".

Seriously, how many ruckman have we been through since Monkhurst (1995 or so), that have been "decent to good" tap ruckman, but have been almost embarrassing in regards to their around the ground output.

 

[Optimax]

Re: Cameron Wood.

Guy Richards and wood matty

The rest have been kpp/ruck tweeners, Bryan probably the best of the bunch (less injury and softness issues then cam cloke)

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Funny, even WITH the first round pick what Brisbane have managed to do to their list

Big Cam is way too laconic for his own good. He's essentially a 16yo in a 22yo body. If he can stop goofing off he'll be outstanding.

 

[robertg22]

Funny, even WITH the first round pick what Brisbane have managed to do to their list

Big Cam is way too laconic for his own good. He's essentially a 16yo in a 22yo body. If he can stop goofing off he'll be outstanding.

That's what happens when you ontrade your first round draft pick for a homeless man.

 

[Old Spice]

He only looks disinterested because of his pre-match bongs. Once he finds a better pre-match routine, the sky's the limit.

 

[robertg22]

Yeah, if he switched over to meth he'd appear to be much more switched on.

 

[Old Spice]

Meth and viagra - poke the opposition ruck in the eye.

 

[daics cousin]

I think you guys are all panic merchants.

As soon as something happens you have players leaving or are disgruntled.

The comments about Wood are ridiculous.Why would we trade Wood back to the Gold Coast when we gave up pick 14 for him?
He is young and is our devloping ruckman,fraser hasn't got long to go Jolly is getting older so Wood will take over the mantle in a few seasons, he's got time to develop.


Wood probably got pissed,because he is bored in the reserves so would any body be,but he knows he needs to develop.
A few years ago i kept screaming about putting Chris DAWES in the seniors and every one on this site was saying no ,not good enough isn't ready yet.
Dawes lost his enthusiasm because he got bored in the reserves,as soon as Rocca left this opened the door for Dawes.HA!
He should be a permanent fixture in the forwrad line so will Wood,but he needs time.How old is he 21? not much older than that.

I'll sum it up this way...............Eddie was asked the following question on the marngrook footy show.........Hey Eddie what would you do if one of your players came into your office and said he wanted to go to the Gold Coast or any other team?

Eddie replied....................Now why would a player want to leave the biggest club in the land,that is currently building to assault for a dynasty of premierships..............At Collingwood if youre not happy we will gladly move you on!

So in the en d if a player wants to leave the club..............for whatever reason...............Good Riddance!

 

[Bluey64]

Another pathetic thread with no substance he was in Adelaide (for the whole period) during the mid season break and he even had his photo in the Advertiser at the footy at West Adelaide with Karmichael Hunt and Scott Harding - so some people are just so far off the mark its not even worth commenting further!

 

[Keele]

Another pathetic thread with no substance he was in Adelaide (for the whole period) during the mid season break and he even had his photo in the Advertiser at the footy at West Adelaide with Karmichael Hunt and Scott Harding - so some people are just so far off the mark its not even worth commenting further!

hahahaha I just hope you are correct.

The original allegations should not have been posted as hear say.
Humble pie by the truckload if you are correct mate


Go Pies

 

[Swooop]

Another pathetic thread with no substance he was in Adelaide (for the whole period) during the mid season break and he even had his photo in the Advertiser at the footy at West Adelaide with Karmichael Hunt and Scott Harding - so some people are just so far off the mark its not even worth commenting further!

Whatever...most people here have said they couldn't give a toss whether or not he was p1ssed at the nightclub. Adelaide, Melb not the relevant issue.

Bluey the thing that is relevant, as Optimax I think pointed out, is what he does on the field.

He should know he has Fraser's measure now. Josh, like O'Bree, has pretty much had his career with the Pies and has given the best they had to give.

Wood should be kicking the door down, on field, but in the seniors, all we really see is passivity and the appearance that he couldn't give a ****.

When we really only have one true ruck option looking ahead in the near term, that's what people are sh1tty about.

Someone around this club needs to get the bastard angry, didn't NM used to smack 'Crackers' Keenan abound a bit before the game, get him fired up a bit?

I want to see what C. Wood can do when he ****ing has a go