The 2017 Rolling All-Australian Thread

[Luv_our_club]

Joel Selwood has had a patchy season. At times brilliant all game. Other games he has only been brilliant in the last quarter and has been quiet in the first 3. Then other games completely tagged out all game. I just dont think he has had a consistent AA season up to date.

His reputation aside, Selwood is definetely not a starting AA mid atm and very lucky to be in the 22.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Joel Selwood has had a patchy season. At times brilliant all game. Other games he has only been brilliant in the last quarter and has been quiet in the first 3. Then other games completely tagged out all game. I just dont think he has had a consistent AA season up to date.

His reputation aside, Selwood is definetely not a starting AA mid atm and very lucky to be in the 22.

He's in the Sloane box for me. His best have been absolute quality. His poor have been terrible.

Selwood gets in for me. Sloane borderline. Probably out at the moment.

 

[SickQwon]

He's in the Sloane box for me. His best have been absolute quality. His poor have been terrible.

Selwood gets in for me. Sloane borderline. Probably out at the moment.

Sloane's running around Curnow-less tomorrow. Expect him to make a big statement.

 

[Scotland]

Exactly. Just a list of basic stats and your interpretation of them. Stats should support an analysis, not be the basis of one. By all means criticize him and as many other Hawthorn players as you like. But don't expect not to be called out when you're just going to trot out the same basic crap that came out a while ago when the media lent on a low "metres gained" stat as a basis for him not being impactful (the high "assisted metres gained" stat refuted that).

You've got zero, stop pretending otherwise. You haven't made a single argument for Tom Mitchell being in the AA side.

 

[cryptor]

You've got zero, stop pretending otherwise. You haven't made a single argument for Tom Mitchell being in the AA side.

Why would I? It's only round 15 and I don't pick the team anyway.

 

[Damon_3388]

Why would I? It's only round 15 and I don't pick the team anyway.

So you'll tell others that they wrong, but won't actually offer a counter-argument? OK.

 

[cryptor]

So you'll tell others that they wrong, but won't actually offer a counter-argument? OK.

Tom Mitchell doesn't need to be in the AA team for me to call out rubbish assessments on his ability to impact games.

Tom Mitchell can have plenty of impact on games for Hawthorn while also not making the AA team. There are plenty of great mids this year and plenty of great mids won't make the team.

 

[Tulip]

Hibberd is so good

 

[Poorman53]

Sloane's running around Curnow-less tomorrow. Expect him to make a big statement.

Agree, get on the 30 possession markets at the betting agencies.

 

[Fonzeno1]

Really? Not similar at all. Zorko plays with Rockliff and could easily play alongside Mitchell.

Zorko 225 kicks, 103 handballs, 18 goals, 74 clearances, 96 tackles, 67 I50s, 139/185 contested/uncontested possies
Mitchell 180 kicks, 281 handballs, 4 goals, 74 clearances, 91 tackles, 51 I50s, 191/279 contested/uncontested possies

Mitchell is 130 ahead on disposals for the year but he doesn't do anything with it. He does his role well, but 35 vs 25 touches a game definitely overstates his impact. He gets a more uncontested ball and a lot more handballs, which is not really what you want. They are even for clearances and tackles and Mitchell is 4 ahead per game on contested possies, but Zorko is far more damaging. He kicks the ball more, kicks the ball long and kicks goals.

For someone with Mitchell's attributes I'd want to see him in the top couple for clearances in the comp to be in the AA frame. He's currently 15th, and his contested:uncontested ratio is 1:1.5. Patrick Cripps is 1.15:1, Cunnington 1.35:1, 1.1:1. This is where Mitchell should be. Similar to Matt Priddis, if he gets 20+ uncontested possessions then big whoop - he's not a damaging outside player. If he's getting his hands to it at the bottom of every pack and farming it out then he's damaging in his own way.

Scotland the hypocrisy of this post is incredible. I agree about zorko over mitchell BTW. But when you were argueing a few pages back with me and a few other guys that stats mean nothing then you pull out the stats to suit your arguement. Really? Wow!

 

[Checkered]

Why would I? It's only round 15 and I don't pick the team anyway.

Good work coming in to the Rolling All Australian thread then mate.

Bang up job

 

[cryptor]

Good work coming in to the Rolling All Australian thread then mate.

Bang up job

Is this what this is? Thought it must have been the baseless claims thread.

 

[Interstater]

Lowest points against in the comp and no defender in the AA side.
Interesting.

 

[#gosaintas]

Lowest points against in the comp and no defender in the AA side.
Interesting.

Got no decent defenders

 

[Luv_our_club]

Is Buddy that much greater than every other tall forward in the game that even if he has an average season he makes AA. Personally I think he is just ticking along for Sydney, but is still the best.

Does Buddy get marked down against his high standards like other great players in the past? I dont think he does.

 

[HTPunter]

Is Buddy that much greater than every other tall forward in the game that even if he has an average season he makes AA. Personally I think he is just ticking along for Sydney, but is still the best.

Does Buddy get marked down against his high standards like other great players in the past? I dont think he does.

Well it looks like it, having an 'average season' and will likely end the round in the top 2 of the Coleman, top 2 in marks for forwards. Out of the top 20 goalkickers, only Greene and Dangerfield get the ball more than Buddy. Walker and Lynch are the only 2 KF's to have significantly more goal assists than Buddy. He's had about 20 more scoring shots than the next most too.

He's been nowhere his best but at 17 disposals and 3 goals a game, he is on track to be the CHF AA for the 4th time (7th overall) and could win his 4th Coleman and his 10th club leading goalkicker award.

Star.

 

[blitzer]

If we get to the end of the season and Franklin is still in the top 2 for goals kicked he will be in the AA for sure. He does a lot more around the ground than most of the other forwards. I think Daniher may be close in that area (averaging -1 disposal per game and gets a few hitouts in the ruck) but yeah ultimately it all comes down to goals.

The only other notable point of difference is goal assists which from memory Walker is quite good in but come seasons end I expect the 2 (or 3) AA spots given to tall forwards will go to the top 2 or 3 goal kickers.

The race for the forward line spots is pretty close. Small forwards you have Betts, Gray and Greene all probable inclusions. Garlett and Fantasia are the next 2 small forwards but they would be up against it. Garlett's really gone under the radar for his season so far. Petracca might also turn a few heads.

Out of the tall forwards: Cameron looks really good so far, Franklin likely to get in. Daniher a dark horse if he comes home strong. Josh Kennedy was probably in the team until he's missed the last 4 weeks - may still get in there yet. Walker a chance as well if they pay attention to his goal assists.

 

[GordonBlue]

Kreuzer just took care of another AA ruck contender

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[Mr_Plow]

Gawn is next.

 

[cryptor]

Kreuzer just took care of another AA ruck contender

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He's had an absolutely stellar past month. That's not to say he wasn't already having a good season. Just that the past 4 or 5 weeks have been really good.

 

[WWSD]

Well it looks like it, having an 'average season' and will likely end the round in the top 2 of the Coleman, top 2 in marks for forwards. Out of the top 20 goalkickers, only Greene and Dangerfield get the ball more than Buddy. Walker and Lynch are the only 2 KF's to have significantly more goal assists than Buddy. He's had about 20 more scoring shots than the next most too.

He's been nowhere his best but at 17 disposals and 3 goals a game, he is on track to be the CHF AA for the 4th time (7th overall) and could win his 4th Coleman and his 10th club leading goalkicker award.

Star.

Franklin having an average season? lol

He's had 80 scoring shots already and is the only key forward who can have an "off game" and still kick 3-4 goals. He has a high disposal and marks per game average and is also ranked number one in tackles amongst key forwards.

 

[HTPunter]

Franklin having an average season? lol

He's had 80 scoring shots already and is the only key forward in the who can have an "off game" and still kick 3-4 goals. He has a high disposal and marks per game average for a key forward and is also ranked number one in tackles amongst key forwards.

Read past the first sentence next time. 'Lol'.

 

[WWSD]

Read past the first sentence next time.

I'm dizzy.

 

[Tulip]

Gawn is next.

Kreuzer held Gawn reasonably well in round two. Should be an interesting battle with Gawn the better ruck but still on the comeback trail. No Jones, Viney, Tyson means Carlton will get plenty of inside ball.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Kreuzer held Gawn reasonably well in round two. Should be an interesting battle with Gawn the better ruck but still on the comeback trail. No Jones, Viney, Tyson means Carlton will get plenty of inside ball.

Kreuzer is in terrific shape physically right now, expecting him to move Gawn around plenty who is coming back from injury and looked sore yesterday.