Updated The Bruce Lehrmann Trials * Justice Lee - "Mr Lehrmann raped Ms Higgins."

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Historical Rape Allegation Against Fmr AG Christian Porter
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Just a reminder, this is the crime board and we need to be aware that there will be victims of crime either watching this thread or engaging in here from time to time. A degree of respect in all discussions is expected.

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Kurve said:
There's a few women in the wings with complaints of sexual assault against Lehrman, one incident was after the Higgins allegations were made and it's like you want to completely ignore that. The bloke has a problem imo so it's probably only a matter of time and he's before the courts again
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Kurve said:
I suspect something else is going on that we're not allowed to know about yet for example, Lehrmann has more charges and that's what she's referring to.
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Percel said:
Did you tell us so? :think:
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Yep. We did.
 

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BFew said:
Former Liberal staffer Bruce Lehrmann is “broke”, and was kicked off the dole during the trial because he was unable to meet Centrelink’s mutual obligation requirements while staying in Canberra.'

'He has however been “cutting wood” for a mate’s dad in Tasmania and searching for work
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'Rape charges against high-profile man mentioned in Toowoomba court'​

'January 11, 2023 - 11:51AM'

'Magistrate Kay Ryan demanded to know why his client was not appearing in person.
“He’s been given a notice to appear, why is he not here?” She asked.
The court was told the man was residing in Hobart.'

'His bail conditions – which included a non-contact order and surrendering his passport – were not opposed by police.
Ms Ryan ordered a brief of evidence be delivered by February 15.
The man will return to the committal callover court on February 22.'
 
Anja_Nees said:
If he’s guilty, then it’s shortly after after the Higgins proceeding commenced. Utterly gobsmacking. He’s then either spectacularly stupid or an irrepressible sex pest.
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I wonder if any alleged drink spiking was involved?
 
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'Mr Lehrmann’s friend, former Liberal staffer and colourful political strategist John Macgowan, who attended the trial with him on most days with his legal team, has held talks with journalists from the Seven Network but no decision has been made on who will conduct the interview.'
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Hope Seven Network had a watertight exit or payment claw-back clause in any (if any) agreement that they or other media outlets might have struck with Bruce Lehrmann or his agent(s), in the case that Bruce Lehrmann was charged or arrested for any other serious enough criminal offences that he failed to disclose that he could be charged/arrested/tried and/or convicted for.

Maybe if Bruce can beat any other charges he is charged with/facing (if any), he (or his agents) can up the price for any future media interviews.
 
Today's Daily Law list for the Toowoomba issued this morning has subsequently been amended with the removal of one name for which a suppression order is now in place.

A reminder that under Queensland law, media (including social media platforms and forums which may be viewed in that state) are prevented from identifying people accused of serious sex offences until they are committed to stand trial. Queensland is one of the last jurisdictions to retain this law and the Qld Govt has committed to change this.

indaily.com.au

Law change plan as high profile man avoids rape case hearing

The Queensland government has confirmed plans to amend the state law that prevents media organisations naming a high-profile man accused of rape who failed to turn up to a court hearing today.
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A reminder that under Queensland law, media (including social media platforms and forums which may be viewed in that state) are prevented from identifying people accused of serious sex offences until they are committed to stand trial. Queensland is one of the last jurisdictions to retain this law and the Qld Govt has committed to change this.
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Former Court of Appeal president Margaret McMurdo, who undertook a 16-month review into women’s experiences in the criminal justice system provides a strong case for early public naming of those charged with sexual assault offences. To facilitate witnesses coming forward and supplying further evidence for or against the accused.

Making the laws retrospective is going to be hotly debated.

'Queensland law fast-tracked to allow naming of accused rapists'​

'5:58PM JANUARY 13, 2023'

'.... The Weekend Australian understands the government plans to introduce a bill in the first half of the year.

Queensland and the Northern Territory are the only jurisdictions that still protect the identities of accused rapists until evidence against them is tested at a committal hearing, which can take months or even years.

Consultation on the proposed laws, including whether they will be retrospective, is due to wrap up next month.

Ms McMurdo said the reforms would bring Queensland into line with other states.

“It is not an erosion of the presumption of innocence in sexual assault cases, which will, of course, remain. The reform will simply mean that those charged with sexual offences will be treated the same way as those charged with other criminal offences,” she said.

“Experience has shown that the early public naming of those charged with offences can lead to witnesses coming forward and the supply of further evidence in the case. This can benefit either the defence or the prosecution.”

Author and sexual assault survivor Bri Lee said the fact the media cannot name the man charged with two counts of rape over an alleged attack in Toowoomba in October 2021 proved the need for consistent laws between states. “It’s absurd that whether or not we can talk about this depends on which state someone is charged and arraigned in,” she said. “It really highlights how absurd it is that we don’t have continuity between the states.....”'

'Women’s Legal Service chief Nadia Bromley said arguments about protecting people’s reputations do not stand up.
“(Identity protections) don’t apply to violent offences; they don’t even apply to sexual offences involving children,” she said.'
 
Anja_Nees said:
If he’s guilty, then it’s shortly after after the Higgins proceeding commenced. Utterly gobsmacking. He’s then either spectacularly stupid or an irrepressible sex pest.

Reminiscent of Jarryd Hayne doing what he did shortly after he settled a civil rape suit in the US.
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Likely stress is a trigger for a persons actions in this scenario

And you then stick with what you know as noted by PRE
 
I don't know more.

www.dailymail.co.uk

EXCLUSIVE: The case against high-profile Australian accused of rape

The man, who cannot be named, was charged on January 10 over the alleged incident in Toowoomba, about 130km west of Brisbane, in October 2021.
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'EXCLUSIVE: High-profile Australian charged with rape is accused of not wearing a condom TWICE when the pair had sex after nightclub meeting'​

  • The man was charged on January 10 over alleged incident
  • He can't be identified due to archaic laws in Queensland
  • It will be alleged they met at a nightclub and had sex three times
  • She later alleged he did not wear a condom the last two occasions
  • Do you know more? Email charlotte.karp@mailonline.com
'PUBLISHED: 00:44 AEDT, 21 January 2023 | UPDATED: 00:44 AEDT, 21 January 2023'

'A high-profile Australian who has been charged with rape met his alleged victim at a nightclub and had sex with her three times.
Daily Mail Australia can reveal the pair allegedly returned to his home and had sex once that night and then twice in the morning.
The woman alleges that on the two final occasions the sex was not consensual because he wasn't wearing a condom.'
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'It will be alleged in court that the pair spoke on Snapchat for a few days after the encounters, but soon lost contact.
She then approached police and said she only consented to sex on the proviso he wore a condom.
The alleged victim claimed that he was not wearing one during the second and third occasions they had sex.
Failing to wear a condom without a partner's permission is considered sexual assault under Queensland law.'
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'Ms Ryan ordered a brief of evidence be delivered by February 15. The man will return to the committal call-over court on February 22.'
 
BFew said:
I don't know more.

www.dailymail.co.uk

EXCLUSIVE: The case against high-profile Australian accused of rape

The man, who cannot be named, was charged on January 10 over the alleged incident in Toowoomba, about 130km west of Brisbane, in October 2021.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

'EXCLUSIVE: High-profile Australian charged with rape is accused of not wearing a condom TWICE when the pair had sex after nightclub meeting'​

  • The man was charged on January 10 over alleged incident
  • He can't be identified due to archaic laws in Queensland
  • It will be alleged they met at a nightclub and had sex three times
  • She later alleged he did not wear a condom the last two occasions
  • Do you know more? Email charlotte.karp@mailonline.com
'PUBLISHED: 00:44 AEDT, 21 January 2023 | UPDATED: 00:44 AEDT, 21 January 2023'

'A high-profile Australian who has been charged with rape met his alleged victim at a nightclub and had sex with her three times.
Daily Mail Australia can reveal the pair allegedly returned to his home and had sex once that night and then twice in the morning.
The woman alleges that on the two final occasions the sex was not consensual because he wasn't wearing a condom.'
...
'It will be alleged in court that the pair spoke on Snapchat for a few days after the encounters, but soon lost contact.
She then approached police and said she only consented to sex on the proviso he wore a condom.
The alleged victim claimed that he was not wearing one during the second and third occasions they had sex.
Failing to wear a condom without a partner's permission is considered sexual assault under Queensland law.'
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'Ms Ryan ordered a brief of evidence be delivered by February 15. The man will return to the committal call-over court on February 22.'
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This is a joke surely?
 
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