The Bryce Gibbs Trade

[Pepperlad]

How do you feel about it in hindsight?

Carlton trade:

Bryce Gibbs
Pick 77
Future Second Round Pick (Carlton)
Future Third Round Pick (Carlton)

Adelaide trade:

Pick 10
Pick 16
Future Second Round Pick (Adelaide)
Pick 73

Carlton picked up Lochie O'Brien with pick 10. They traded pick 16 to the Bulldogs (who got Ed Richards) in exchange for pick 28 (traded to GWS for Matthew Kennedy), pick 30 (Tom De Koning) and a future second round pick, which was part of the Mitch McGovern deal the following year.

 

[Gaben]

Even though I don't think it should necessarily define the trade, you should add who the players were that were taken with the picks.

On paper though it looks terrible for Adelaide.

 

[Kwality]

Thought he was OK last night.

Pykey has work to do, Tex is only a shadow ....

 

[Fourthawn]

Thought Gibbs looked slow and indecisive last night and failed to have any real impact on the game.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Even though I don't think it should necessarily define the trade, you should add who the players were that were taken with the picks.

On paper though it looks terrible for Adelaide.

Feels like Adelaide overpaid to start with, and with Gibbs' form dropping since leaving Carlton it just makes it worse.

That's not to say that he won't turn things around - we're three rounds in, still has another 19 games to play before finals

 

[Pepperlad]

Even though I don't think it should necessarily define the trade, you should add who the players were that were taken with the picks.

On paper though it looks terrible for Adelaide.

Edited the OP accordingly.

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

Both are ****ed atm

 

[Milanista28]

There's been worse trades.

 

[fpm84]

I thought the trade was odd at the time. Gibbs was never going to be the difference. The Crows letting Charlie Cameron, Lever and McGovern go - and selling the farm for Gibbs - is up there with Carlton choosing Dale Thomas over Betts.

 

[Sprout]

It made sense at the time. No-one including the crows themselves would have expected the club to fall off a cliff last season, the reasons for which weren’t just about football.

Not a rousing success but I don’t think it’s been a disastrous trade. He’s been decent.

 

[Righteo]

I know it's easy to pot them in hindsight but the Crows were in their premiership window at the time and saw a chance to push them over the edge. imo the lack of a quality ruckman coupled with a rapidly declining fwdline have hurt them more.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Gibbs is the icing on the cake you can see why they went out and got him losing a grand final and needing a classy midfielder probably the fact it didn’t go through a year earlier ate at the crows board with what if questions

They paid big overs their window looked wide open but hindsight says that wasn’t exactly true losing Charlie Cameron was a massive loss lever also a loss but kind of over rated and doedee before his knee covered him

Main problem is the crows are just slow and tex/Betts/sauce cooked

They need a rebuild and should be pumping games into Jones/fog/stengle

Carlton fans seem to have big hype for de Koning and o’brien Should at least be a role player, Matt Kennedy looks a vanilla bust though

Funny enough the big winners of the deal are the dogs with Ed Richards

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Would Carlton be a better side this year if Gibbs was still there? Most likely. So does that mean the Gibbs-Adelaide trade has further been enhanced for the Crows due to the fact that they receive Carlton’s first pick this year. i.e. if the Blues were to finish one rung higher this year because Gibbs was improving their overall performance, the Crows first pick in 2019 gets demotes one place.

 

[weetert]

Bad trade. The Lever/Mcgovern trades make up for it though.

 

[james Dean]

Gibbs is the icing on the cake, but the cake has been left out too long and is now mouldy

 

[Blues_Man]

Cameron and Mcgovern were worse trades for the Crows ..with Tex and Jenkins as their main forwards they would have to be the worst forward line in the comp ..especailly as Eddie is done and dusted

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I thought the trade was odd at the time. Gibbs was never going to be the difference. The Crows letting Charlie Cameron, Lever and McGovern go - and selling the farm for Gibbs - is up there with Carlton choosing Dale Thomas over Betts.

The Crows had little choice in letting those players go. Even with McGovern once he said he wanted out a good trade was the best option. I suspect he saw himself struggling to get a game, whereas at the Blues he could cement a spot.

List management is the long game. With Walker, Jenkins, Lynch and Fogarty as tall forwards. Knight playing well as a small pressure forward, their forward line is far from in crisis I think. Betts is reaching the end if a stellar career but that happens sadly.

The Gibbs trade was ok in my view, but they paid a lot for a very goid mid who will finish his career there.

They haven't really clicked this year yet, but short term results aren't a trading issue in my view.

 

[fpm84]

The Crows had little choice in letting those players go. Even with McGovern once he said he wanted out a good trade was the best option. I suspect he saw himself struggling to get a game, whereas at the Blues he could cement a spot.

List management is the long game. With Walker, Jenkins, Lynch and Fogarty as tall forwards. Knight playing well as a small pressure firward, their forward line is far from in crisis I think. Betts is reaching the end if a stellar career but that happens sadly.

Can't agree - Walker, Jenkins and Betts are all completely done IMO. Even at their peak, Walker or Jenkins have never been contested mark players and require the ball given to them on a platter (or in JJ's case, in the goalsquare). Fogarty looks promising but McGovern provided a real point of difference to them - their best contested mark, dynamic, x-factor. Him missing the GF was an underrated factor in them losing.

If he honestly thought he'd be squeezed out of their side, the Crows match committee should be sacked. If McGovern was on Geelong's list I'd expect him to be in the first 10 players picked every week.

 

[Duskfire]

Even back then I thought it was a ridiculous trade. Pick 10 and 16 for an old player? As good as Gibbs is/was, he wasn’t worth that.

 

[Whiskers]

All I know is Gibbs used to dominate against us playing for Carlton.

 

[Bernie L]

One bad game (27 possessions) and out they come.

He was ordinary last night.

Maybe we could ask Chief to make a Drafts, Free agency and Trades board!

 

[radiojake]

I thought the trade was odd at the time. Gibbs was never going to be the difference. The Crows letting Charlie Cameron, Lever and McGovern go - and selling the farm for Gibbs - is up there with Carlton choosing Dale Thomas over Betts.

yeah because Adelaide willingly let all three of them go...

if they want out what are you supposed to do?

 

[fpm84]

yeah because Adelaide willingly let all three of them go...

if they want out what are you supposed to do?

McGovern in particular I think you should have held to his contract, like we did with Tim Kelly.

Speculation was that McGovern wanted out because of the pay packet given to Gibbs - which highlights the premise of this thread that the Gibbs deal was a terrible one.

Lever probably not a big loss in hindsight given Doedee's instant AFL success but I reckon you really miss Charlie and haven't gone anywhere near replacing his forward pressure. He tore us apart in the 2017 prelim and has been very good for the Lions.

 

[Bernie L]

McGovern in particular I think you should have held to his contract, like we did with Tim Kelly.

Speculation was that McGovern wanted out because of the pay packet given to Gibbs - which highlights the premise of this thread that the Gibbs deal was a terrible one.

Lever probably not a big loss in hindsight given Doedee's instant AFL success but I reckon you really miss Charlie and haven't gone anywhere near replacing his forward pressure. He tore us apart in the 2017 prelim and has been very good for the Lions.

This, in a nutshell.

But Jones will get there.

 

[branedotorg]

crows bet on the 'now' and it looks a shocker in isolation and with hindsight.

done well with other trading though