The Crows Soft Draw

[Punchy Bassett]

3 games at AAMI and a bye in the first month. Pretty shmick. I'm sure the AFL will even things out by sending them to Subiaco in Round 22 next year.

We already are this year, and to add to that we travel to QLD twice and previously mentioned WA trip in the last five weeks of the season. Show me one Vic club who travels that much at the end.

http://www.afc.com.au/2011 fixture/tabid/15353/default.aspx

 

[Punchy Bassett]

Crows cant complain, dont leave AAMI or Melbourne until Round 20 so travel is not a real factor this year for them. They would be very happy

Um we travel to QLD twice and WA once in the last five rounds of the season.

And before you start to try and wank on that travel doesn't have a factor, very interesting stat I heard this week, Pav's about to break the games held record for Freo which only stands at the mid 200's and with all the great players WC have had over the years their record number of games is high 200's. Compare this to Vicotrian clubs who don't have to travel anywhere near as much as interstate sides.

 

[ok.crows]

It helps when you're the first team in your respective state

Also the cost for traveling fans from melbourne/adelaide/sydney is a lot more (and a huge distance) than say melbourne/sydney fans travelling to adelaide - also goes both ways for our away fans

only 3 of those games are post 2000s (most 1995, 1996, 1997) and 2 of them were at the WACA and the other was against Port (Port also at the WACA)

No-one wanted to go see a new wa team in the comp when the other wa team had just won 2 of the last 3 flags and that's something we had no control of and had to deal with

Any chance of giving those figures as percentages? (given AAMI's capacity is bigger than Subis, naturally a bigger stadium would get more fans in as there's more chance of better seats)

I talked about home crowds (against opponents from interstate) for a reason ... that reason being that the crowd numbers for such games aren't heavily influenced by opposition supporters.

Freo's worst home crowd is about 25% of Freo's best home crowd against an interstate opponent.

Adelaide's worst home crowd is about 60% of Adelaide's best home crowd against an interstate opponent.

Because they are like-with-like ratios (Adelaide crowd / Adelaide crowd compared with Freo crowd / Freo crowd), these percentage numbers aren't influenced by the relative sizes of the stadiums.

Conclusion: Freo's support is considerably more "bandwagon-ish" than Adelaide's. The spread in support levels from best to worst for Freo is much, much larger (relative to the average) than that spread is for Adelaide.

 

[HFF]

Soft draw or not, history shows that if you aren't good enough anyway, you will be found out.

 

[ok.crows]

Soft draw or not, history shows that if you aren't good enough anyway, you will be found out.

Exactly so.

Obviously it goes without saying that is a lot more important for the Crows to be good enough away than it is for the Pies (soft draw or soft draw).

 

[tribey]

We already are this year, and to add to that we travel to QLD twice and previously mentioned WA trip in the last five weeks of the season. Show me one Vic club who travels that much at the end.

http://www.afc.com.au/2011 fixture/tabid/15353/default.aspx

Haha, well there you go.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Um we travel to QLD twice and WA once in the last five rounds of the season.

And before you start to try and wank on that travel doesn't have a factor, very interesting stat I heard this week, Pav's about to break the games held record for Freo which only stands at the mid 200's and with all the great players WC have had over the years their record number of games is high 200's. Compare this to Vicotrian clubs who don't have to travel anywhere near as much as interstate sides.

Who gives a shit, you should be top 4 by the time that happens.

Are you seriously comparing West Australian travel to South Australia? lol.
Of course West Australia and Queensland teams have the biggest travel factor and it affects them but South Australian teams travelling to Victoria and Victoria teams travelling to South Australia means Sweet FA. Its the home ground thats the advantage, the travel factor is minimal if anything at all

 

[dani_giuls]

Who gives a shit, you should be top 4 by the time that happens.

Are you seriously comparing West Australian travel to South Australia? lol.
Of course West Australia and Queensland teams have the biggest travel factor and it affects them but South Australian teams travelling to Victoria and Victoria teams travelling to South Australia means Sweet FA. Its the home ground thats the advantage, the travel factor is minimal if anything at all

Just putting in my 2cents regarding travel. I worked Fly in fly out and I only had to travel what was effectively once a week. All up it was about 3hours worth of travel. I can tell you its pretty tiring and you really dont feel like doing anything once you land. Now I know thats not the 45min flight to Melbs, but my job isnt as laborious as an AFL footballers is either.

I believe its also the disruption to the routine which effects you more. But thats just my opinion based on someone who has had some experience with constant travel for work

 

[aneale]

when the Crows get 17-19 games at AAMI stadium a year then fans who support teams who rarely leave their home State can talk. Until then there is nothing soft about it, they still need to be won.

 

[Balony_pony16]

so surprise a Vic started this thread.

The lions (and other interstate teams) would love to play all the melbourne based teams twice, and for draw fairness all melbourne teams should play all interstate teams away throughout the year. But do they? No, and they never will!

The lions always play the crows/WC twice and port/Freo once (or vice versa's)...it was happening when the Lions were on top and now the Lions are on the bottom some Vic's find it a problem?

The melbourne teams have been playing off amongst themselves for years for maximum commercial value, and were doing it when the interstate teams were dominant not that long ago.

I don't think the draw changes much over the years with the same teams playing each other...take the good with the bad

 

[caitsith01]

This season the Crows had their 20th anniversary game, and in all those 20 years the Crows crowd has arguably varied the least of all the clubs. The Crows have finished in the bottom 4 a few years, but in all those twenty years there have only been a few weeks here and there when the Crows have been top of the ladder. I think it has happened only twice, for no more than a couple of weeks each time.

The Crows supporters would be the most non-bandwagon supporters of all.

Crows and the Cats! The two clubs who never tank, never bottom out, never get priority picks, and even in their bad years play some competitive footy.

I wish the whole league was like that, instead of clubs getting rewarded excessively for their failures and empty corporate franchises getting first dibs on a generation of gun players (to be clear I think the draft is essential but the priority pick system has done huge damage).

 

[Slippery Pete]

Crows and the Cats! The two clubs who never tank, never bottom out, never get priority picks, and even in their bad years play some competitive footy. .

Must be something about the hoops?

P.s - 119.

 

[Bomberman86]

Is this a genuine OP or do we read that after one loss the mighty Bomber juggernaut is already dead and looking for excuses

Huh? Say what now?? Logic explanation please

 

[jerry springer]

wont matter when their forward line is so dysfunctional

great goal to dangerfield though

 

[BACCS]

wont matter when their forward line is so dysfunctional

great goal to dangerfield though

It was one poor game dude, where the wind was an absolute bitch. Not saying it as an excuse, but it affected the kicking from both teams. We played like shit, and deserved to lose by more than we did, but there have been 2 games played, TWO. I can't believe the amount of shit calls being made after 2 or 3 rounds this year, it is unbelievable.

Last week Adelaide were top 4 material, this week our forwardline is shit and we won't make the 8. Give me a break.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Coming off a bye hurt big time for the Crows methinks - they looked quite flat but with flashes here and there

Look at the stats for 1991 (the last time the bye was introduced): Only two teams won after coming off a bye in the first 12 rounds - and of those teams had their bye in round 12 (the eagles won after the bye in round 3)

 

[longsuffreosupp]

Looks like the Crowbots read this thread and have played accordingly.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

Also we've burst Adelaide's bubble two years in a row (both times they played us and were huge favourites to win)

I guess time will tell as to whether we really have killed their momentum in 2011