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The most ignored stat in the AFL - Nathan Fyfes disposal efficiency

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I don't think its unfair to be somewhat critical of Fyfe's kicking. There's no doubt he's a great player who has top shelf marking ability for a player of his height, great contested ball winning and is quick and has good endurance as well but he still has a weakness and that is his kicking and decision making which is probably only average. To be fair to his kicking he does go fairly high risk so when he pulls it off he looks amazing and at other times it makes him look a bit ordinary. He's still certainly a top 20 mid with plenty of room for improvement to come.

Disposal efficiency the stat isn't useless but it can't be judged in isolation, you need to use it in conjunction with what you've seen of the player both in terms of how they use the ball, where they are getting the ball and their role within the team. There's a reason why team disposal efficiency tends to be quite a good indicator to how good a team is going because over that many players it tends to be far more accurate than when judging an individual player.
 
We already have Matt Rosa. Why would you want his exact double?

People are just buying into the media hype. The fact of the matter is Nathan Fyfe is the worst disposer of the ball since the stat was created yet apparantly it doesnt matter?

The amount of shit Ive seen Masten, Jackson, Boyd etc get for there kicking. They have 10-15% over Fyfe over the past 3 years. Where is Fyfes criticism?

Reeks of double standards

whatever, he does it in style. let me repeat what my fellow WC poster said "I would kill to have him at West Coast!!!"

its a shame he plays for freo. but he will have to live with that for the rest of his life, what can you do.
 

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DE stats can be a bit misleading. when you look at the leading DE they are all backmen who are just chipping the ball to free men.

still, leading kicks for intercepted kicks and a very high clanger (about 5 a game over 2012 and 13) rate are worries, and are at the moment what is keeping him from being a top 10 player in the competition.

regardless he is a very good player. injuries have platued him somewhat, in the sense that he moved into the top 20-30 players in the competition a couple of years ago, but hasn't got a chance to move beyond that.

seems a bit of a forgotten man amongst the competitions guns. have hardly seen him marked for any AA teams, but his performances stack up against some of those who have been mentioned.
 
Remember one season it was 1.Fyfe 2.Goodes 3.o'Keefe in worst DEs for the league. What a useless player that Goodes guy is. Stupid stat. Can't be used to prove anything. It also says Zac Dawson, Darren Glass etc are quality kicks anyone could see clearly they're not
 
The stat for kicking that champion data actually uses is something like

Expected Kick % vs actual kick %, which had Hurn leading. would be interested to know where Fyfe sits on this measure. iirc a couple of years ago he was at the bottom.
 
We already have Matt Rosa. Why would you want his exact double?

People are just buying into the media hype. The fact of the matter is Nathan Fyfe is the worst disposer of the ball since the stat was created yet apparantly it doesnt matter?

The amount of shit Ive seen Masten, Jackson, Boyd etc get for there kicking. They have 10-15% over Fyfe over the past 3 years. Where is Fyfes criticism?

Reeks of double standards

The real fact is that the statistics used to measure player performance in the AFL, right up to and including chamion data statistics, are woefully inaccurate at identifying who is actually a good player and who isn't.
 

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Let me throw this out there
How can a guy who hits his target this little be considered for a AA spot by everyone? It seems to me people judge him on disposal stats as opposed to what he does with those stats. People want to consider him elite. The fact of the matter is that until he learns how to kick he isnt there yet.

I don't consider him elite yet. I'd agree with what you say.

When his kicking ends up around the AFL average then I think it'd be pretty safe to call him elite.

Same style of player. Fyfe is alot better though

Why the hell would Eagles want another player who cant kick for though?

So when did Rosa become one of the best two or three contested players in the comp, and comfortably the best mark amongst them?

You're trolling or you're insane if you think that comparison makes any kind of sense.

Freo fans are ignoring one key point

You all cheered Rhys Palmers departure. Why

Because he brought us Hayden Crozier.
 
If you can't tell the difference between Palmer's kicking and Fyfe's without numbers you are beyond any help you are going to get here. Give up watching football, its obviously too complicated for you.
I reckon Darts would be your go, thats all about numbers.

Onehundredandeighty!!

Which is about 5 times the OP's IQ.
 
Meh, I'd take Fyfe over Palmer any day. Palmer is a poor man's Kane Cornes. The problem with guys like Boyd is that when they're not turning the ball over, they're chipping the ball sidewards. Fyfe is an attacking player and they're valuable in football.
 
I haven't read the posts on this thread so apologies if his has been said but the reason disposal efficiency is the most ignored stat in the afl is because it should be. Each time an on-baller gets a kick forward from a stoppage it's deemed as ineffective as far as the accuracy stat but a clearance forward is unbelievably important. The stats that footy clubs take are the only important ones. The stats they measure ( they read all stats but review the important ones) in order contested ball, uncontested ball, tackles/pressure acts (secondary stat for the ones that cause a turnover) play ons/hand ball receives. These are the 4 stats clubs want to win, a guy like fyfe who wins the majority of his ball contested falls under this category. If you ever want to know if a player is good, think of how many clubs he would play for if he was free. In the case of fyfe it would be EVERY club which puts him in the elite category. Lastly I'd ask the OP to go out and get a hard kick rather than playing fantasy leagues and reading papers
 
Disposal Efficiency is a very misleading statistic because of the way CD choose to measure it. Heath Grundy had 80% efficiency last year, but was the #1 player in the entire AFL for goals conceded from turnovers, making him the league's worst ball butcher.
 

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If you ever want to know if a player is good, think of how many clubs he would play for if he was free. In the case of fyfe it would be EVERY club which puts him in the elite category. Lastly I'd ask the OP to go out and get a hard kick rather than playing fantasy leagues and reading papers

Quoted for truth :thumbsu:
 
^^^^

I liked your post not just for the content but also because (sadly) I can be quite juvenile at times, and your user name made me giggle.

Come on IP, we all know why you like that username !!!.

You're never too old to have a juvenile sense of humour ................. laughter is far better than grumping.

Oh yeah, Fyfe is a hack, not too sure why he ever left Lake Grace.
 
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