The Syrian War

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Can we get rid of John H?


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[John H]

As Putin and Assad's genocidal war in Syria reaches new levels of insensate violence the world is silent.

 

[awaremind]

As Putin and Assad's genocidal war in Syria reaches new levels of insensate violence the world is silent.

Does an enemy who uses suicide -vehicle based improvised explosive devices as thier main weapon of attack really deserve pity? Really? If the lives of their captive civilians were priority they could have assisted their evacuation. They chose war.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Does an enemy who uses suicide -vehicle based improvised explosive devices as thier main weapon of attack really deserve pity? Really? If the lives of their captive civilians were priority they could have assisted their evacuation. They chose war.

Dont bother asking a question, he only knows how to post tweets

 

[The Passenger]

This documentary (45 mins) may or may not have been posted already as it is 15 months old but was flicking through the tele tonight and it was on.

Genuinely harrowing stuff.

The doco takes an anti-regime stance but is not pro-rebel, although it does sympathise with those who are against the regime in a peaceful manner (or at the very least doesn't bring to light any violence the protagonists may have taken part in - which may or may not exist, I have not looked further into it).

Regardless, the human suffering on display is horrible. In reality, it doesn't really seem like there are many good options in this war.

 

[awaremind]

Videos coming out of afrin city, showing FSA looting Afrin city, and ABC news refers to them as Syrian troops on radio news, ( no mention of looting there btw).

 

[Todman]

Came across this , its true.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Came across this , its true.

Turkey's Recep Erdogan is dodging the curse... at least so far. He's been saying it as late as December last year!

Assad Must Go, Erdogan Says, as Syria War Winds Down
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/27/world/middleeast/syria-evacuations.html
By ANNE BARNARD DECEMBER 27, 2017


BEIRUT, Lebanon — Turkey’s leader denounced President Bashar al-Assad of Syria on Wednesday as a terrorist mass murderer with no place in that country’s postwar future, scrapping a softened approach that Turkish officials had taken toward Mr. Assad in recent years.

The statement by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey came as Mr. Assad seemed more confident than ever that he has won the war and will remain Syria’s leader for the foreseeable future. It also came against the backdrop of maneuvering by many powers — most notably Russia and Iran, Mr. Assad’s most important allies — to influence the outcome of a devastating conflict that has reshaped Middle East politics...

 

[awaremind]

Turkey's Recep Erdogan is dodging the curse... at least so far. He's been saying it as late as December last year!

It's quite possible he will have to go himself, he's really walking the line between NATO and Russian alliance at the moment, not to mention walking the line on invading Syria and genocide on Kurds and supporting terrorists including ISIS.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

It's quite possible he will have to go himself, he's really walking the line between NATO and Russian alliance at the moment, not to mention walking the line on invading Syria and genocide on Kurds and supporting terrorists including ISIS.

Yep. There's been more than a few whispers that the previous coup attempt against him was orchestrated by Washington.

Was the U.S. behind a failed coup? Many Turks think so
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...cb344221131_story.html?utm_term=.ee35300a6c5a
By Ishaan Tharoor August 6, 2016

ISTANBUL — Amid a sea of Turkish flags and the blare of loudspeakers, Nazmi Kaya beamed with pride. The 51-year-old truck driver had brought his whole family back to the “motherland,” as he put it, from their home in Frankfurt, Germany, to experience the chaotic, emotional aftermath of the July 15 coup attempt.

They stood in the city’s central Taksim Square, the site of nightly vigils marking the successful defeat of a mutinous army faction. Kaya said the courageous protesters who confronted the coup plotters’ tanks were unlike anything seen “anywhere else in the world.”

And he says he also knows who is to blame.

“We believe the United States had a full idea of what was happening,” he said. “The CIA was going to benefit.”

Kaya’s certainty on the subject of alleged American perfidy in the coup plot seems widespread in Turkey. Right-wing and pro-government media outlets have repeatedly accused the United States of being somehow involved in the putsch, which saw rebel soldiers turn on the state, kill civilians and bomb the country’s legislature in an unsuccessful bid to oust President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Turkish officials pin the blame on Fethullah Gulen, a septuagenarian imam who lives in self-imposed exile in Pennsylvania and whose followers, say officials in Ankara, infiltrated the military and other institutions of state and were biding their time for years before moving against the elected government.

Erdogan has grumbled angrily about Gulen’s continued sanctuary in the United States and seeks his extradition. U.S. officials say they are waiting for clear evidence linking Gulen directly to the coup attempt. The impasse marks a moment of crisis between Washington and a key NATO ally.

“I’m calling on the United States: What kind of strategic partners are we that you can still host someone whose extradition I have asked for?” Erdogan said in a speech Wednesday that was broadcast live on national television.

“This coup attempt has actors inside Turkey, but its script was written outside,” he said. “Unfortunately, the West is supporting terrorism and stands by coup plotters...”

I wonder what will happen if the U.S REALLY loses patience with him?

 

[John H]

A copy-paste of the 1948 Nakba and occupation, down to the global indifference and support for ethnosectarian cleansing and genocide.

Syria: 'Absentees law' could see millions of refugees lose lands

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...ions-refugees-lose-lands-180407073139495.html

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

A copy-paste of the 1948 Nakba and occupation, down to the global indifference and support for ethnosectarian cleansing and genocide.

Syria: 'Absentees law' could see millions of refugees lose lands

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...ions-refugees-lose-lands-180407073139495.html

Yeah, if true this seems like a pretty s**t move. I know the cost of reconstruction is going to be ENORMOUS, and I get that the Syrian government is going to try every trick in the book to reduce those costs, but surely there are other options. This is a time for unity, not further fragmentation.

I get that a fair slew of those who fled are opposition supporters and so justify any harsh measure in some minds, but again this isn't the way forward at all.

 

[Nebula1971]

Staged???

Syria war: At least 70 killed in suspected chemical attack in Douma http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43686157

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Staged???

Syria war: At least 70 killed in suspected chemical attack in Douma http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43686157

It's perplexing why the Syrian Army, surrounding Douma with an overwhelming advantage in manpower, armour and the airforces of both the Syrian state AND the deployed Russian air detachment, would need to use chemical weapons at this stage in proceedings.

There is no strategic reason to. None at all.

The exact same scenario can be said for each and every previous chemical attack; all came during significant otherwise-conventional military advancement against opposistion forces.

If we're talking strategic use of chemical weapons the only time to use them when it made sense was early in the war when the F.S.A and other groups had various Syrian Army bases and air bases besieged from all sides and there was no way out against what seemed like overwhelming odds. No chemical weapons were used to relieve the F.S.A then later Daesh air base seiges at Dier ez Zour, for instance.

The timing of these incidents smell very fishy to me. Undoubtedly people died, and died horribly. But what really happened?

 

[awaremind]

It's perplexing why the Syrian Army, surrounding Douma with an overwhelming advantage in manpower, armour and the airforces of both the Syrian state AND the deployed Russian air detachment, would need to use chemical weapons at this stage in proceedings.

There is no strategic reason to. None at all.

The exact same scenario can be said for each and every previous chemical attack; all came during significant otherwise-conventional military advancement against opposistion forces.

If we're talking strategic use of chemical weapons the only time to use them when it made sense was early in the war when the F.S.A and other groups had various Syrian Army bases and air bases besieged from all sides and there was no way out against what seemed like overwhelming odds. No chemical weapons were used to relieve the F.S.A then later Daesh air base seiges at Dier ez Zour, for instance.

The timing of these incidents smell very fishy to me. Undoubtedly people died, and died horribly. But what really happened?

Exactly. You would have to be very silly to believe that Assad would use them at the precise time that would hurt himself most and benefit these terrorists most. It's the desperate ploy of men without hope or conscience. It especially doesn't make sense if you consider that the Syrian army is actually very nearby to where it apparently occured. The whole skripal incident could be part of the psyops to blame Russia for it, helps people accept the baseless accusations. The goebbels quote comes to mind when you consider the state department comment that it's beyond doubt that th e Syrian army has done this before therefore it must be them now.
"A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth"

 

[John H]

Every time Assad uses chemical weapons same question arises from the Assad propagandist conspiracy theorists: "why would Assad use chemical weapons? He dont need it" Why on earth would someone who has repeatedly been given red lines from the international community on the usage of such weapons be stubborn enough to ignore those warnings and risk facing some form of punishment.

The fact that what he’s doing is considered so unbelievable makes him doing it from his perspective all the more logical, anyone who has been following Syria over the years has seen this happen again and again and should now be very familiar with this disturbing tactic. With all of this Assad’s message to his people is that he can do as he pleases and no one will stop him.

This murderer is also just as aware as we all are that those red lines are nothing but a load of nonsense that would never amount to anything more than a few missiles aimed at some military depot. Not to mention the fact that such attacks by the international community are beneficial to Assad’s narrative of foreign meddling and intervention and are used to gather support across the world for a modern age-living murderous dictator that is a victim of attacks by imperialist countries.

Yes this all sounds psychopathic from his end. Assad is a deceptive psychopathic murderer, one that is willing to take life from innocent children to maintain his grip on power, anyone that doesn’t believe that by now is not paying attention.

 

[Nebula1971]

It's perplexing why the Syrian Army, surrounding Douma with an overwhelming advantage in manpower, armour and the airforces of both the Syrian state AND the deployed Russian air detachment, would need to use chemical weapons at this stage in proceedings.

There is no strategic reason to. None at all.

The exact same scenario can be said for each and every previous chemical attack; all came during significant otherwise-conventional military advancement against opposistion forces.

If we're talking strategic use of chemical weapons the only time to use them when it made sense was early in the war when the F.S.A and other groups had various Syrian Army bases and air bases besieged from all sides and there was no way out against what seemed like overwhelming odds. No chemical weapons were used to relieve the F.S.A then later Daesh air base seiges at Dier ez Zour, for instance.

The timing of these incidents smell very fishy to me. Undoubtedly people died, and died horribly. But what really happened?

Exactly, which is why I put staged at the start. The only reason I added a question mark was to keep it civil and not make an outlandish statement that some on here might take offense to.

 

[awaremind]

Every time Assad uses chemical weapons same question arises from the Assad propagandist conspiracy theorists: "why would Assad use chemical weapons? He dont need it" Why on earth would someone who has repeatedly been given red lines from the international community on the usage of such weapons be stubborn enough to ignore those warnings and risk facing some form of punishment.

The fact that what he’s doing is considered so unbelievable makes him doing it from his perspective all the more logical, anyone who has been following Syria over the years has seen this happen again and again and should now be very familiar with this disturbing tactic. With all of this Assad’s message to his people is that he can do as he pleases and no one will stop him.

This murderer is also just as aware as we all are that those red lines are nothing but a load of nonsense that would never amount to anything more than a few missiles aimed at some military depot. Not to mention the fact that such attacks by the international community are beneficial to Assad’s narrative of foreign meddling and intervention and are used to gather support across the world for a modern age-living murderous dictator that is a victim of attacks by imperialist countries.

Yes this all sounds psychopathic from his end. Assad is a deceptive psychopathic murderer, one that is willing to take life from innocent children to maintain his grip on power, anyone that doesn’t believe that by now is not paying attention.

Why should anyone believe this, when the salafist jihadists, jaish al Islam who are making the accusations are radical Islamists, who have been murdering innocent civilians in Syria and also Europe for years now as their modus operandi. They are people who used suicide vehicle based improvised explosive devices as their main attack weapon, and have filmed themselves beheading children. They hate us in the western nations as much as they hate Assad. Why should we risk our security to help radical Islamists?

 

[John H]

All neo-nazi supremacists holocaust deniers past and present come together for Assad and all use the exact same rhetoric.

The fact that you can look at the bodies of children slaughtered by a genocidal tyrant and support such monstrous evil in the name of some obscene waffle about "Islamist extremists" tells me that you are no different to your nazi predecessors.




Israel’s former chief rabbi says a Holocaust is happening in Syria


Here's a reality check , not that you actually care

Assad Henchman: Here’s How We Built ISIS

 

[awaremind]

Anyone who isn't sure about it should watch the videos the white helmets put out of them washing the kids, doesn't look real. Pics of dead kids look real, but no context, could have been murdered by terrorists. Horrible scenes though. If jaish al Islam is going, war is over in east ghouta which surely is a good thing.

 

[John H]

 

[John H]

Mission accomplished within hours, now all that's left for Assad and his allies is to continue blaming the victims while denying the use of chemical weapons, as they've done every time chemical weapons have been used.

 

[John H]

Assadist: why would Assad use chemicals at this stage, there is no strategic reason to.


Because the last time around he learned that he was jeopardizing nothing.

This murderer is also just as aware as we all are that those red lines are nothing but a load of nonsense that would never amount to anything more than a few missiles aimed at some military depot.

 

[MaddAdam]

It's perplexing why the Syrian Army, surrounding Douma with an overwhelming advantage in manpower, armour and the airforces of both the Syrian state AND the deployed Russian air detachment, would need to use chemical weapons at this stage in proceedings.

There is no strategic reason to. None at all.

The exact same scenario can be said for each and every previous chemical attack; all came during significant otherwise-conventional military advancement against opposistion forces.

If we're talking strategic use of chemical weapons the only time to use them when it made sense was early in the war when the F.S.A and other groups had various Syrian Army bases and air bases besieged from all sides and there was no way out against what seemed like overwhelming odds. No chemical weapons were used to relieve the F.S.A then later Daesh air base seiges at Dier ez Zour, for instance.

The timing of these incidents smell very fishy to me. Undoubtedly people died, and died horribly. But what really happened?

There is the argument that Assad - or local commanders who he thinks have a degree of deniability - thought it was better to CW out the Jaish diehards than cop the casualties required to clear them out otherwise.

But I'm with you, all too convenient. US and France have been itching for a CW incident to justify an attack and lo and behold, on cue, here it is.

Most of all I don't think Russia would OK Assad using CW now. It puts their people, materiel and their gains at risk. Which after all is the key target (along with Iranian similar)

 

[MaddAdam]

Anyone who isn't sure about it should watch the videos the white helmets put out of them washing the kids, doesn't look real. Pics of dead kids look real, but no context, could have been murdered by terrorists. Horrible scenes though. If jaish al Islam is going, war is over in east ghouta which surely is a good thing.

The White Helmets are one of the better psy ops of recent times.