F1 The Wash Up - Previous 2024 Race Weekends

[DamoESP]

We only got to hear one message between McLaren and Norris asking if he wanted to cover Lewis or Verstappen and didn’t hear the answer, the commentators mentioned about back and forwards between them discussing it.
Compare that to Piastri who was clear and concise with what he wanted.

There is a bit more of the transcript here. Pretty much Norris sounded unsure and McLaren led the decision:

Revealed: Norris team radio on costly British GP decision

Read the full radio transcripts between Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri around their crucial British Grand Prix tyre calls.

racingnews365.com

Give it a week or so and you will be able to listen to Norris full race radio on this YT channel as he seems to post every drivers full race radios:

Inside The Cockpit

Share your videos with friends, family, and the world

www.youtube.com

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

There were a couple of key decisions that cost McLaren the win.

1. Norris choosing to stay out an extra lap - The choice should have been either Norris +1, and Oscar straight in with Max OR double-stack. Instead, Norris went +1, and Oscar had to go +2 - losing 17 seconds in that extra lap.
1a) Oscar pits ahead of Max - takes the lead after Lando pits next lap.
1b) Double Stack - Lando Leads, Oscar has to overtake Russell and Hamilton as well as Max but only loses 4 seconds.
1c) Lando +1, Oscar +2 (what we got) = Lando 2nd, Oscar 4th, almost 20 seconds back.


2. Lando given the choice of Used Soft, or New Medium - this was all about the phrasing. Instead of saying "Soft to go after Hamilton, Medium to protect against Max", it should simply have been about the right tyre for the laps remaining. Used softs would never get to the end at pace, McLaren the only team to keep a set of new Mediums for this exact reason.

2a) Lando takes Medium = Still comes out behind Hamilton (Lando missed his marks at the pit), but on a far better tyre. Likely wins as no degredation issue and flat out to the flag. Max wouldn't have caught him.
2b) Lando goes Soft = What we got (tyres fell off a cliff, Max overtakes him).

McLaren gave away the 1-2 (either order) on the pit wall.

 

[Black_White]

I’m going to go against the grain here.
I actually enjoyed those last10 or so minutes of the race and the immediate aftermath.
Yes, there was proBrit commentary, as there should be at a British race with a British driver winning against the odds.
The comms were also highly praising of Max and pointing out that McLaren had stuffed it up. As well as criticising Lando for missing his marks in the pit stop. Praise also for Oscar and his charge at the end.
Particularly enjoyed them pointing out this is the sixth winner in F1 this year. Somethings going right.

 

[Not Important]

 

[Skull Face]

Interesting interview with Carlos Sainz and Oscar Piastri post race...(and not from Sky)



Oscar, always the cool headed diplomat, says he was OK with the decision to leave him out for an extra lap and not double stack BUT he also makes the relevant point (subtly) that the decision making in the lap prior to that was where the error was made that cost him and his team the win.

The big point of course was the short half second gap between Norris and Piastri when Norris was called in to pit made double stacking an unacceptable risk and that would have been costly time-wise. Getting Oscar to pull back an extend the gap between them in that incoming lap would have been the smart move and make double stacking possible (as Mercedes showed).

Heck, even Croft was calling for this at the time in the commentary. And when the glaring error in your team's race strategy is called out in real time by Crofty of all people I think it's fair to say the team made a major tactical error.

If us sitting at home can see the delta to max starts suddenly dropping 3 seconds in a sector before the mclarens get around to the pits it has to be seen as a failure that no one at the team could do the same and demand a double stack.

Its like they looked at max's 1st sector and seen there was no time gain made the call to go around again and then ignored the delta as max started to rapidly close through the middle sector, F1 team needs to be more on the ball then that they should have been the ones proactively boxing early with 1 car to keep the lead regardless.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

As of Rd 12	Driver	Team	Points
1	Max Verstappen	Oracle Red Bull Racing	255
2	Lando Norris	McLaren Formula 1 Team	171
3	Charles Leclerc	Scuderia Ferrari HP	150
4	Carlos Sainz Jr	Scuderia Ferrari HP	146
5	Oscar Piastri	McLaren Formula 1 Team	124
6	Sergio Pérez	Oracle Red Bull Racing	118
7	George Russell	Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team	111
8	Lewis Hamilton	Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team	110
9	Fernando Alonso	Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team	45
10	Lance Stroll	Aston Martin Aramco F1 Team	23
11	Nico Hülkenberg	Moneygram Haas F1 Team	22
12	Yuki Tsunoda	Visa Cash App RB F1 Team	20
13	Daniel Ricciardo	Visa Cash App RB F1 Team	11
14	Oliver Bearman	Scuderia Ferrari HP	6
15	Pierre Gasly	Alpine F1 Team	6
16	Kevin Magnussen	Moneygram Haas F1 Team	5
17	Alexander Albon	Williams Racing	4
18	Esteban Ocon	Alpine F1 Team	3
19	Zhou Guanyu	Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber	0
20	Valtteri Bottas	Stake F1 Team Kick Sauber	0
21	Logan Sargeant	Williams Racing	0

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

 

[Bradesmaen]

Shame, I'm going to be at The Open on Sunday so I'll miss it. Usually a decentish race despite the circuits limitations. No rain forecast either.

 

[happy_eagle]

Bit of a DRS train type circuit this one, qualifying will be very important.

McLaren should be up there again. Hopefully Perez fails again and loses his seat after next race.

 

[Jatz]

I love this track, feels like there's normally something to throw the cat amongst the pigeons...

 

[DamoESP]

Wonder if this massive worldwide Crowdstrike outage (BSOD any device its installed on) is going to affect MERC this arvo in practice, seeing they are a major sponsor I assume they are running Crowdstrike as their EDR platform across their networks??

 

[happy_eagle]

Wonder if this massive worldwide Crowdstrike outage (BSOD any device its installed on) is going to affect MERC this arvo in practice, seeing they are a major sponsor I assume they are running Crowdstrike as their EDR platform across their networks??

I was trying to rack my brain where I had heard of CrowdStrike lol
Is on the Mercedes car

I wonder though despite sponsorships and whatnot, whether all teams have similar communications setups on track, and whether this is enforced by the FIA.

 

[gaskin]

You would have to think they would have some kind of contingency plan for an outage.

 

[gaskin]

Red Bull have a major upgrade this week so we'll see if Max goes back to destroying everyone again or if RB are genuinely back in the pack for good.

 

[DamoESP]

You would have to think they would have some kind of contingency plan for an outage.

Even if they lost all tech they could still put a car on the track, use pit boards etc. Just more all the data crunching that happens back at HQ through the course of a practice session probably wouldn’t be happening right now if their systems are still all offline (and by the looks of it the only way to fix endpoints that BSOD is hands on, manually one by one).

Good news is Sky News in the UK is all offline so we might not have Sky F1 commentary

 

[DamoESP]

Wonder if this massive worldwide Crowdstrike outage (BSOD any device its installed on) is going to affect MERC this arvo in practice, seeing they are a major sponsor I assume they are running Crowdstrike as their EDR platform across their networks??

The answer is Yes, possibly. Pour one out for their techs who have to have hands on each endpoint to put the workaround in place

Global CrowdStrike outage leaves Mercedes fixing computers before practice

Mercedes are working to solve the problems caused by a global computer systems outage before practice begins at the Hungaroring today.

www.racefans.net

 

[DamoESP]

talk about product placement

 

[Eaglemaniac]

Oscar on his way to 2nd in P3, putting down a good lap, and sky decides that it’s a good time to cross to the pit wall and talk to a team leader of an irrelevant team while Oscars laying down a really good lap. ****in Sky.

 

[gaskin]

It is only practice but it is looking very much like a 3 way battle between McLaren and Max for pole. The Red Bull hasn't looked great but we all know Max pulls a lap out of his arse when it comes to the last run in Q3.

 

[juice t]

talk about product placement

"Okay Lewis your gap to Norris is..."

"Actually shit we don't know, our pit wall just got blue screened"

 

[happy_eagle]

"Okay Lewis your gap to Norris is..."

"Actually shit we don't know, our pit wall just got blue screened"

Would be an interesting experiment to have one car completely radio/telemetry silent for a race (with the exception of the drivers pit button working) and see how it goes.

 

[jabba5114]

It is only practice but it is looking very much like a 3 way battle between McLaren and Max for pole. The Red Bull hasn't looked great but we all know Max pulls a lap out of his arse when it comes to the last run in Q3.

Just like Lewis when mercedes Dominated

Sent from my SM-A556E using Tapatalk

 

[happy_eagle]

Kayo 4k not working for anyone else ?

 

[Bedi]

Kayo 4k not working for anyone else ?

nup neither, came on here to find the same thing

 

[Festerz]

Kayo 4k not working for anyone else ?

Nope. Having to go to the live feed on 506 which is in HD.