Universal Love Tim Broomhead

[blaze036]

I don't get why you play a guy as sub on debut. Let him play from the start.

Once again, **** the sub rule.

Can't wait to see Freeman, Kennedy and Broomy bursting through the middle in years to come.

Because first and 2nd year players don't have the fitness to run out a full match

 

[piedpiper32]

Because first and 2nd year players don't have the fitness to run out a full match

Tom Langdon?

 

[Pendles!]

Because first and 2nd year players don't have the fitness to run out a full match

Can always sub them off. How tough would it have been to come into the heat yesterday and impact the game, broom did bloody well considering.

 

[DaVe86]

I don't blame coaches for picking debutants as sub. I blame the stupid sub rule.

Ultimately a debutant is probably the 22nd player picked in the side, so therefore it flows that they also get named sub.

In this case, the fact Broomhead was a late call up and also played the day before adds to the rationale for making him sub.

Ultimately it was a good taste for him. He showed the flashes that have us excited, but probably not best 22 just yet

 

[blaze036]

Tom Langdon?

Well I meant in general... there are always going to be some kids with exceptional fitness

 

[piedpiper32]

Well I meant in general... there are always going to be some kids with exceptional fitness

Well maybe Broomy is one of the exceptional ones?

But given he played the day before in the VFL game I agree the sub role was more appropriate this time, not because he is a 2nd year player.

I hope his next shot is in the starting 21 though. Kid has some serious skills and pace, two things we are lacking in.

 

[blaze036]

Well maybe Broomy is one of the exceptional ones?

But given he played the day before in the VFL game I agree the sub role was more appropriate this time, not because he is a 2nd year player.

I hope his next shot is in the starting 21 though. Kid has some serious skills and pace, two things we are lacking in.

I think him and Kennedy will be really exciting to watch in 2015, easily both be in the 22. Need to start playing them over guys like Blair

 

[danielnajdek]

I think him and Kennedy will be really exciting to watch in 2015, easily both be in the 22. Need to start playing them over guys like Blair

Agree. Especially agree about Kennedy. We need to play him when his playing so well in the vfl and please Bucks not as the freaking sub .

 

[PepperFace]

OK its been 24hrs so I have calmed down a bit so I can be a little more rational than what I would have been straight after the game.

But for me Broomy was electric. I'm excited by the great man. 3 votes in the bag

 

[Unknown Identity]

Personally think we use the sub wrong. Look at the way Dogs use Giansiracusa, always comes on a makes an impact.

 

[Robroy22]

Personally think we use the sub wrong. Look at the way Dogs use Giansiracusa, always comes on a makes an impact.

That's cos he's their BEST forward, has been for a few years. His problem is that he can't run out four quarters. Maybe we should keep Clokey off for 3 quarters?? The SUB rule stinks...it always has....introduced to "cut down on injuries"....pppfffffft...yeah right.
All its done is frustrate players and supporters alike, takes footy back to the dressing gown 60's.

 

[Old Spice]

Didn't see much of it but thought he looked very sharp.

 

[blaze036]

That's cos he's their BEST forward, has been for a few years. His problem is that he can't run out four quarters. Maybe we should keep Clokey off for 3 quarters?? The SUB rule stinks...it always has....introduced to "cut down on injuries"....pppfffffft...yeah right.
All its done is frustrate players and supporters alike, takes footy back to the dressing gown 60's.

It's mostly in to make games fair... if the dogs lost Cooney in the first 5 minutes and there was no sub rule they'd be down a rotation for the whole game and they'd lose because of an injury rather than our hard work.

It makes the games more fair and creates an extra layer of tactics

 

[ottoman]

It's a load of crap.
Does nothing for the game
Annoys coaches and spectators
Means 1 player each week misses out on match fitness
It's F****D
Get rid of it

 

[Robroy22]

It's mostly in to make games fair... if the dogs lost Cooney in the first 5 minutes and there was no sub rule they'd be down a rotation for the whole game and they'd lose because of an injury rather than our hard work.

It makes the games more fair and creates an extra layer of tactics

Easier ways to make games fair....
1. play with a round ball, eliminates "unfair bounces"
2. All games indoors, eliminates weather
3. Play with one umpire, eliminates interpretations
4. all teams must have equal numbers of left footers, height, weight etc....
You see where I'm going with this: the things that make our game great include its uncertainties. In days gone by the doggies would have been labelled as "beating the odds" or "a win for the ages" for winning whilst one man down, instead they won an even contest. Plenty of great wins have been achieved with less than eighteen fit players, the sub rule doesn't stop multiple injuries...it just means less options for coaches and the demeaning and frustrating process of one poor guy having to wait most of the match to have any influence on the game. And then being flogged on the track to gain his weekly "match fitness".

The sub rule was brought in to beat the teams with great depth and high rotations.....(read US 2010-2011)....it doesn't make games fairer, it in fact imposes restraints on teams and specific players.
its a dud rule, past its use by date (which was about 1965) and it should be buried once and for all.

ps: in the spirit of "not just criticising" but providing an alternative....
a mate of mine is an astute football officianado and he recommends that if the AFL requires subs (real subs) then each team should be comprised of 22 starting players (unlimited interchange) and then each team can list and carry up to 4 subs but these sub players have to be rookie list players or at the very least players from the VFL side that have already played that weekend. The subs would rarely if ever need to be called upon (barring serious injury) but it wouldn't be such a bother to watch them miss out since they would be rookies or players that have played a game already, or seniors returning from injury via the VFL team.

DUMP the sub.

 

[ClaytonM]

He is not best 22 yet and three disposals is not great but I hope they give him another go. His three disposals all hit the mark and he has good pace and evasion. If we are going to will a flag any time soon Broomhead, Sharen, Freeman, Adam need to replace Ball, Lumumba, Blair, Dwyer.

We are not flag ready this year, let's get games into Broomhead and others so we build for 2015. I don't think it will make us weaker this year and will make us stronger next.

 

[blaze036]

I could've guaranteed even if he had 48 possessions and 47 were effective you would've mentioned the 1 he stuffed up!
As I said can you please forward me a link to your first kick in AFL footy so I can see how amazing your first kick was....

Yeah because I constantly bag Broomhead don't I

Never said a bad word against him, just saying his first kick wasn't as good as it looked

 

[TradeDraft]

I don't blame coaches for picking debutants as sub. I blame the stupid sub rule.

Ultimately a debutant is probably the 22nd player picked in the side, so therefore it flows that they also get named sub.

In this case, the fact Broomhead was a late call up and also played the day before adds to the rationale for making him sub.

Ultimately it was a good taste for him. He showed the flashes that have us excited, but probably not best 22 just yet

Srill a Tad Skinny

 

[Rorzza]

The sub rule was brought in to beat the teams with great depth and high rotations.....(read US 2010-2011)....it doesn't make games fairer, it in fact imposes restraints on teams and specific players.
its a dud rule, past its use by date (which was about 1965) and it should be buried once and for all.

DUMP the sub.[/QUOTE]

Total agree with this thread, they should also dump the recall of centre bounces. It is the umpires job to bounce the ball which makes the game more athletically pleasing to the eye and to football lovers. Sorry they should also dump scoring reviews, that sucks too!

 

[jackcass]

I don't get why you play a guy as sub on debut. Let him play from the start.

Once again, **** the sub rule.

Can't wait to see Freeman, Kennedy and Broomy bursting through the middle in years to come.

According to Bucks they were hoping Beams would get up and be available. Didn't happen. Broomy had played about half the VFL game the day before (had to come in to cover the lose of Reid) so was only ever going to play limited time.

 

[jackcass]

Mate, Reid wasn't playing in the VFL as of Friday morning when he was injured and Tim knew he was playing VFL Friday morning when all the other VFL players found out they were playing too. This rubbish about being a late call up for Reid that was spruiked by the online feed on Saturday is jst that ... rubbish.

So the fact he actually came into the final 23, which included Reid, as the replacement for Reid when he was omitted technically doesn't equal him being a late replacement for Reid... okay.

 

[Bay Pie]

Surprised by how quick he is. Showed some real toe in the few contests he was involved in. You can't teach speed.

 

[jackcass]

No cause he was already in the VFL final 23 before Reid dropped out! So he wasn't a replacement in the VFL team, he was named in the VFL team.

Well I'm only going on what was on the Collingwood FC web page. Final posted VFL team had Reid in it, no Broomhead.

 

[jackcass]

All good mate. I'm just letting you know what really took place.

Cheers.

 

[Magpie Mason]

Surprised by how quick he is. Showed some real toe in the few contests he was involved in. You can't teach speed.

And good foot skills. We need that. just needs to get the ball more, especially as a sub.