MMA-UFC UFC 200: Brock Lesnar vs Mark Hunt - Jones has USADA Violation

[Ry009]

Fellow UFC fighter, Lauren Murphy, just said that she also uses an inhaler and spoke to USADA about it. Their response was that it was fine and almost impossible to pop when using one.

Point being, whatever you put in your body, you need to do the cross checks and balances, Brock before or straight after should have followed up with USADA, just my 2c though.

 

[Jab]

Anyone see the NFL combine bench press records? Brock is 4th on the list. From memory it's how many reps you can do with 100kgs (I could be wrong), and he got 44. Now that's a jacked white boy.

 

[Goldfish]

So, now Brock has also failed his 'in-competition' drug test... http://www.news.com.au/sport/ufc/br...0/news-story/f9c4414dbda89c3642deb80473dfe4f4

 

[Sterge]

Read an article saying both Jones and Lesnar popped for Clomiphene

http://www.espn.com.au/mma/story/_/...orms-ufc-second-failed-brock-lesnar-drug-test

The substance that Lesnar tested positive for hasn't been officially identified, but a source told ESPN that the flagged substance is clomiphene, the same anti-estrogen blocker that Jon Jones tested positive for.

from another site

Clomid Dosing for Athletes

Clomid is only taken once a day. Experts in the field of body building suggest that it be used alone or in combination with low potency anabolic steroids. Most body builders take anabolic steroids for a few months and then switch over to Clomid. The Clomid provides the surge in testosterone and also prevents the development of breast enlargement. The exact timing of when to start Clomid is not known but it is recommended that once the steroid drugs are stopped, Clomid should be started within 7-10 days.

If true seems like Brock was on the gear in the WWE, then had to switch to Clomiphene to get back into UFC mode

 

[BradWCE]

So Hunt gets the win?

or no-contest?

Before I was sure the result would become a no contest. I've just found out that with USADA now involved, it could become a DQ win for Hunt. Gleison Tibau's win against Trujillo became a DQ win for Trujillo after Tibau got popped for EPO.

Article 10.1 of the UFC anti-doping policy mentions the factors involved when determining if a DQ result is the right decision: http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/UFC-anti-doping-policy-EN.pdf

Edit: Should have linked to the article that mentioned this:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/7/1...failed-ufc-200-in-competition-drug-test-usada

 

[Jab]

Great result, I'm glad that USADA are on board. They're far from perfect but drugs in this sport are important to tackle.

 

[nobbyiscool]

Before I was sure the result would become a no contest. I've just found out that with USADA now involved, it could become a DQ win for Hunt. Gleison Tibau's win against Trujillo became a DQ win for Trujillo after Tibau got popped for EPO.

Article 10.1 of the UFC anti-doping policy mentions the factors involved when determining if a DQ result is the right decision: http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/UFC-anti-doping-policy-EN.pdf

Edit: Should have linked to the article that mentioned this:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/7/1...failed-ufc-200-in-competition-drug-test-usada

I'm pretty sure the in-competition test changes things.

With an out of competition test, I'm pretty sure it would've been a no contest; with an in competition test, I believe Hunt gets the DQ win.

Does that sound right?

 

[pantskyle]

Something doesn't smell right about this.

 

[Barry Roundhouse]

Something doesn't smell right about this.

What doesnt?

 

[pantskyle]

What doesnt?

The whole thing.

If Lesnar was using than Dana White must have known. Then for Lesnar to pass several tests then fail one before and on the day? No way he would be that stupid to use whilst being tested often.

 

[Barry Roundhouse]

The whole thing.

If Lesnar was using than Dana White must have known. Then for Lesnar to pass several tests then fail one before and on the day? No way he would be that stupid to use whilst being tested often.

Im almost certain the ufc knew. If they didnt the definatly would have had that suspicion.

It depends on the substance really.. if it has a really short half-life, shows up better when dehydrated ect. We also dont know if he passed urine tests and failed a blood test. We wont know for months either.

It could be a tainted supplement but i have my douts.

 

[pantskyle]

Im almost certain the ufc knew. If they didnt the definatly would have had that suspicion.

It depends on the substance really.. if it has a really short half-life, shows up better when dehydrated ect. We also dont know if he passed urine tests and failed a blood test. We wont know for months either.

It could be a tainted supplement but i have my douts.

I don't know a lot about the process used by the UFC but as I said before, doesn't smell right.

 

[Barry Roundhouse]

I don't know a lot about the process used by the UFC but as I said before, doesn't smell right.

Its olympic standard testing. The best of any sport/league. The exeption was the only thing the ufc had any say in.

Any testing is done by USADA, paid for by the ufc.

Jeff Novinsky, the guy that took down lance armstrong is the ufc's head of anti-doping and the ufcs link to USADA.

Zero room for corruption imo.
The ufc does plenty wrong, there current drug testing is not one of those.

 

[Quivorir]

If anyone doesn't think he was "Juiced to the gills" as Hunt said they are delusional. UFC would have been doing their best to hold it off til after the card so they didn't have to pull him from it.

 

[Barry Roundhouse]

If anyone doesn't think he was "Juiced to the gills" as Hunt said they are delusional. UFC would have been doing their best to hold it off til after the card so they didn't have to pull him from it.

Thats where exception came in. I garrentee the ufc didnt think brock would pop on fight night. They would have assumed his system was clean by the one month prior.

 

[pantskyle]

If anyone doesn't think he was "Juiced to the gills" as Hunt said they are delusional. UFC would have been doing their best to hold it off til after the card so they didn't have to pull him from it.

I don't think he was juiced to the gills but he certainly has used something to shed fat. Whether or not he thought what he used was legal who knows.

 

[BradWCE]

Its olympic standard testing. The best of any sport/league. The exeption was the only thing the ufc had any say in.

Any testing is done by USADA, paid for by the ufc.

Jeff Novinsky, the guy that took down lance armstrong is the ufc's head of anti-doping and the ufcs link to USADA.

Zero room for corruption imo.
The ufc does plenty wrong, there current drug testing is not one of those.

I agree with you on the Lesnar issue. I don't think anything seems weird about it.

Not sure why anyone would feel good about Novintzky being involved though. Unless all you care about is the results and not the methods used to obtain those results. Also, I'm not sure how he's qualified to oversee the program.

http://deadspin.com/5738218/the-case-against-the-case-against-lance-armstrong/1696100504
http://mmasucka.com/2015/04/10/ufc-hires-jeff-novitzky-be-careful-what-you-wish-for/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/barry-bonds-hunter-cheate_b_717204.html
http://espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3896270

Agent Jeff Novitzky, the crusader who has spent nearly a decade working to put Bonds behind bars for allegedly lying about steroids, has been found to have grossly violated the 4th Amendment, prohibiting unlawful searches and seizures, in a landmark case on the dangers of an overzealous investigator.

Three federal judges reviewed the raid. One asked, incredulously, if the Fourth Amendment had been repealed. Another, Susan Illston, who has presided over the BALCO trials, called Novitzky's actions a "callous disregard" for constitutional rights. All three instructed him to return the records. Instead, Novitzky kept the evidence, reviewed the results and received clearance from an appeals court to pursue 103 MLB players who, those records revealed, had tested positive for steroids. (That investigation is pending another appeals court decision, expected this fall.)

 

[Barry Roundhouse]

I agree with you on the Lesnar issue. I don't think anything seems weird about it.

Not sure why anyone would feel good about Novintzky being involved though. Unless all you care about is the results and not the methods used to obtain those results. Also, I'm not sure how he's qualified to oversee the program.

http://deadspin.com/5738218/the-case-against-the-case-against-lance-armstrong/1696100504
http://mmasucka.com/2015/04/10/ufc-hires-jeff-novitzky-be-careful-what-you-wish-for/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/barry-bonds-hunter-cheate_b_717204.html
http://espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3896270

i dont have a view on novintsky one way or the other, was basically highlighting the fact that there isnt much room for curruption when it comes to him and anti-doping. Those links dont paint him in a good light, but good luck pulling a fast one on him and getting away with it lol

 

[NSWCROW]

replay 2.30pm on FS3 ( think it's fs3 )

 

[PoppedCorn]

What ended up happening to Brock??
Did the b sample test +.?
Kinda went quiet

 

[BradWCE]

What ended up happening to Brock??
Did the b sample test +.?
Kinda went quiet

I haven't really been paying much attention to it, but I don't think much has been made public just yet. We would have heard about his b sample being clean by now if it was I'd have thought. I think there was some talk about a tainted supplement, or maybe that was just in Jones' case.

Who knows when it'll all be sorted out? Machida's issue with USADA happened before Lesnar's and I've heard nothing about his punishment yet.