Warren mundine, a running joke

[Nuggs Bunny]

I think Fukushima was 2011

And yet...



https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesc...-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/#2f9f079649d2

Statistically, four times the people are killed installing solar panels on rooftops yet you peddle fear about one of the safest power sources of them all. You point to a freak accident involving the fourth strongest earthquake in recorded history (an seismological event that will never occur in Australia) and a soon-to-be decommissioned reactor as evidence of failure, while ignoring the hundreds of reactors around the world which have operated for years without incident.

Our failure to embrace safe, affordable and reliable nuclear power has helped lead us to the embarrassing situation where AEMO knows there's going to be a blackout tomorrow and there's nothing they can do about it. And people like you, those who spread falsified and exaggerated misinformation, should bear some of the blame.

It is not 1980 anymore.

 

[Balls In]

Mundine said "The Policies being put forward by Bill Shorten will hurt the working class, that's why I decided to join the Liberals"

Now, let that sink in for a minute

Mundine firing truth bombs

 

[its free real estate]

Only Indigenous Australians can point to a continued presence on this continent for more than 250 years.

So? Does this give them special powers?

 

[Hawk Dork]

So? Does this give them special powers?

Capitalism is usually based on ownership

 

[its free real estate]

Capitalism is usually based on ownership

Property rights are decided by those who make the laws, and it is the victors who get to make the laws.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Property rights are decided by those who make the laws, and it is the victors who get to make the laws.

Thats why I said usually

 

[Bollox]

I think Fukushima was 2011

That is a wave height amplitude map from the tsunami. It was peddled by morons after the earthquake as some sort of "radiation distribution" map because there was no evidence to back up their wish list of wild claims. Plz try to avoid the same stupidity.

Fukushima with hindsight is a triumph of mankind. Conceived, designed and built within 25 years of the first nuclear blast. Incredible achievement. Naively positioned however in possibly the worst place imaginable it suffered the largest recorded earthquake, then quickly smashed by one of the largest recorded tsunami's. Two of the worst imaginable apocalyptic events in quick succession and yet human toll = 0. Nothing but a quarantine and long cleanup required. If it wasnt an obselete design with backup generators at or below sea level it could have been back up and operating within months or even weeks.
There can be no better confirmation of the safety of nuclear power. The jury is not out anymore.

Yes, if you were an anti nuke CAMPAIGNER during the 80's or since you have been proven to be a moron and luddite in the extreme. The most regressive stupidity we have seen for 50 years in a nation with a stable craton and huge reserves. We rejected clean safe reliable energy on the basis of what ? Singing a song and banging on a tambourine.

I wonder if those campaigners will ever take at least partial responsibility or admit they were IN FAVOUR of and actively sponsored high emission power generation. The same moronic element is still kicking around amongst the poorly educated and naive.

 

[Hawk Dork]

That is a wave height amplitude map from the tsunami. It was peddled by morons after the earthquake as some sort of "radiation distribution" map because there was no evidence to back up their wish list of wild claims. Plz try to avoid the same stupidity.

Fukushima with hindsight is a triumph of mankind. Conceived, designed and built within 25 years of the first nuclear blast. Incredible achievement. Naively positioned however in possibly the worst place imaginable it suffered the largest recorded earthquake, then quickly smashed by one of the largest recorded tsunami's. Two of the worst imaginable apocalyptic events in quick succession and yet human toll = 0. Nothing but a quarantine and long cleanup required. If it wasnt an obselete design with backup generators at or below sea level it could have been back up and operating within months or even weeks.
There can be no better confirmation of the safety of nuclear power. The jury is not out anymore.

Yes, if you were an anti nuke CAMPAIGNER during the 80's or since you have been proven to be a moron and luddite in the extreme. The most regressive stupidity we have seen for 50 years in a nation with a stable craton and huge reserves. We rejected clean safe reliable energy on the basis of what ? Singing a song and banging on a tambourine.

I wonder if those campaigners will ever take at least partial responsibility or admit they were IN FAVOUR of and actively sponsored high emission power generation. The same moronic element is still kicking around amongst the poorly educated and naive.

Thread is about Mr Mundine and his love of Nuclear let him be upfront and explain to his electorate that he wants a plant down the road

 

[The Warlord]

So Turnbull had to be rolled because he'd wanted to be a Labor Senator but a former President of the ALP who also wanted to be a Labor Senator is now OK because ...

 

[Balls In]

That is a wave height amplitude map from the tsunami. It was peddled by morons after the earthquake as some sort of "radiation distribution" map because there was no evidence to back up their wish list of wild claims. Plz try to avoid the same stupidity.

Fukushima with hindsight is a triumph of mankind. Conceived, designed and built within 25 years of the first nuclear blast. Incredible achievement. Naively positioned however in possibly the worst place imaginable it suffered the largest recorded earthquake, then quickly smashed by one of the largest recorded tsunami's. Two of the worst imaginable apocalyptic events in quick succession and yet human toll = 0. Nothing but a quarantine and long cleanup required. If it wasnt an obselete design with backup generators at or below sea level it could have been back up and operating within months or even weeks.
There can be no better confirmation of the safety of nuclear power. The jury is not out anymore.

Yes, if you were an anti nuke CAMPAIGNER during the 80's or since you have been proven to be a moron and luddite in the extreme. The most regressive stupidity we have seen for 50 years in a nation with a stable craton and huge reserves. We rejected clean safe reliable energy on the basis of what ? Singing a song and banging on a tambourine.

I wonder if those campaigners will ever take at least partial responsibility or admit they were IN FAVOUR of and actively sponsored high emission power generation. The same moronic element is still kicking around amongst the poorly educated and naive.

What about those mega beings purported to be sitting underneath nuclear plants absorbing the radiation then, huh? Yes Godzilla will help us but at what cost to our cities when they clash?

 

[Elroo]

It gets better with our newest captains pick,

 

[Maggie5]

Hmm, these two sentences start making real sense every day re Federal ICAC proposed by this government.

To guard against the Commission being used as a kangaroo court, Mr Morrison said only the Law Enforcement Integrity Commission could conduct public hearings.
The Commissions would not be able to operate retrospectively.

 

[Pie eyed]

Mundine firing truth bombs

blanks.
He is a Mundine.
All talk and wind.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Never before have i seen someone SO keen to be accepted by " The cool kids "

And i've seen a few.

Kevin Rudd was / is the king of them.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Ask the people of Fukishima

It scares voters more than people on boats

Remind me again when Australia had it's last 9.0 earthquake and 100ft high tsunami?

 

[Hawk Dork]

Remind me again when Australia had it's last 9.0 earthquake and 100ft high tsunami?

Are the voters less scared of nuclear because we havent ?
Doesnt have to be that, could be any other unforeseeable event
"Black Swans Theory"

Im very happy for Mr Mundine to sell nuclear power to his electorate and the rest of Australia

 

[Maggie5]

It gets better with our newest captains pick,

Given the to grant goes to August 2019, would he have to give the money back if he is elected?

 

[Hawk Dork]

Apologies if this has been posted its too good to not be here



Tweet of the week
Congratulations to Warren Mundine, the first rat to run ONTO a sinking ship.

@jimmyraynes

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/...s-his-match-in-warringah-20190126-p50tsy.html

 

[Messenger]

That is a wave height amplitude map from the tsunami. It was peddled by morons after the earthquake as some sort of "radiation distribution" map because there was no evidence to back up their wish list of wild claims. Plz try to avoid the same stupidity.

Fukushima with hindsight is a triumph of mankind. Conceived, designed and built within 25 years of the first nuclear blast. Incredible achievement. Naively positioned however in possibly the worst place imaginable it suffered the largest recorded earthquake, then quickly smashed by one of the largest recorded tsunami's. Two of the worst imaginable apocalyptic events in quick succession and yet human toll = 0. Nothing but a quarantine and long cleanup required. If it wasnt an obselete design with backup generators at or below sea level it could have been back up and operating within months or even weeks.
There can be no better confirmation of the safety of nuclear power. The jury is not out anymore.

Yes, if you were an anti nuke CAMPAIGNER during the 80's or since you have been proven to be a moron and luddite in the extreme. The most regressive stupidity we have seen for 50 years in a nation with a stable craton and huge reserves. We rejected clean safe reliable energy on the basis of what ? Singing a song and banging on a tambourine.

I wonder if those campaigners will ever take at least partial responsibility or admit they were IN FAVOUR of and actively sponsored high emission power generation. The same moronic element is still kicking around amongst the poorly educated and naive.

The clean up cost is around US$200B and the latency period for thyroid cancer in particular is over a decade. If that's a triumph, we'll build the plant next to you.

You can't mitigate all the risk. And when something goes wrong (and we have two top shelf * ups in the last 40 years to look back on), it's an actual disaster.

 

[Craven Morehead]

I don't know Jack about this, and I'm too lazy to do the research, but are Thorium reactors any safer if the s**t hits the fan?

 

[Hawk Dork]

I don't know Jack about this, and I'm too lazy to do the research, but are Thorium reactors any safer if the s**t hits the fan?

Yes and they have been proven in the US but rejected because there was no weapons capabilities from the waste.

Chinese bought the intel from the US on them and are in the process of developing them
Still a long way to go

The other plus is

Cambridge scientists published a tantalising study in the Annals of Nuclear Energy in February showing that it is possible to "achieve near complete transuranic waste incineration" by throwing the old residue into the reactor with thorium.

In other words, it can help clean up the mess left by a half a century of nuclear weapons and uranium reactors, instead of transporting it at great cost to be encased in concrete and buried for milennia.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance...ail-for-clean-nuclear-power-from-thorium.html

 

[Craven Morehead]

Yes and they have been proven in the US but rejected because there was no weapons capabilities from the waste.

Chinese bought the intel from the US on them and are in the process of developing them
Still a long way to go

So, we have the largest reserves of Thorium in the world. Why in the hell aren't we at the forefront of fast-tracking the technology and building the bloody things?

 

[Messenger]

I don't know Jack about this, and I'm too lazy to do the research, but are Thorium reactors any safer if the s**t hits the fan?

I did some reading about it years ago - the advantages are that you can effectively use spent fuel rods so helps waste storage. There are some pretty heavy duty gammas emitted by the by products in the U232 decay chain. It has a shorter half life (69 years) but the flux of the isotope is much higher as a result

The isotope 232U has another very important feature. 232U has a relatively short half-life of 68.9 years, and therefore the specific activity of 232U is much higher than specific activity of the isotope 238U. In addition the decay chain of 232U produces very penetrating gamma rays. The most important gamma emitter, accounting for about 85 percent of the total dose from 232U after 2 years, is thallium 208, that emits gamma rays of 2.6 MeV which are very energetic and highly penetrating. These intense radiations make handling of fissile 233U or reprocessed uranium contaminated with 232U far more dangerous than conventional fuels.

https://www.nuclear-power.net/nuclear-power-plant/nuclear-fuel/uranium/uranium-232/

 

[Craven Morehead]

I did some reading about it years ago - the advantages are that you can effectively use spent fuel rods so helps waste storage. There are some pretty heavy duty gammas emitted by the by products in the U232 decay chain. It has a shorter half life (69 years) but the flux of the isotope is much higher as a result

The isotope 232U has another very important feature. 232U has a relatively short half-life of 68.9 years, and therefore the specific activity of 232U is much higher than specific activity of the isotope 238U. In addition the decay chain of 232U produces very penetrating gamma rays. The most important gamma emitter, accounting for about 85 percent of the total dose from 232U after 2 years, is thallium 208, that emits gamma rays of 2.6 MeV which are very energetic and highly penetrating. These intense radiations make handling of fissile 233U or reprocessed uranium contaminated with 232U far more dangerous than conventional fuels.

https://www.nuclear-power.net/nuclear-power-plant/nuclear-fuel/uranium/uranium-232/

I didn't really understand a lot of that. However my question was more to the point of a Fukashima type event, would the consequences be similar?

 

[Messenger]

I didn't really understand a lot of that. However my question was more to the point of a Fukashima type event, would the consequences be similar?

I don’t know, but one of the issues of conventional nuclear power is waste storage. You bury in concrete for tens of thousands of years and cross your fingers.