What could have been - Team names

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Pappagallo said:
We had plenty of nautical themes on the table for our AFL rebrand - Pirates, Mariners, Sharks, Dolphins, Black Diamonds - then somehow we ended up with the Power nickname and Zeus fist for a logo. o_O
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Although they had to add the teal or whatever, always thought Port should have simply gone with 'Port Adelaide Football Club' for anything official, and not come up with some cheap nickname.

Then the people could call them what they like.
 

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Bunk Moreland said:
Although they had to add the teal or whatever, always thought Port should have simply gone with 'Port Adelaide Football Club' for anything official, and not come up with some cheap nickname.

Then the people could call them what they like.
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It was a condition of entry that we look as little like Collingwood as possible. Do think just being PAFC would be nice but oh well.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Had the VFA not blocked us from Arden Street, it could well have happened.

The existing NMFC even folded themselves to make way for us.
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Keep telling yourself that haha. It was a North takeover. A team playing out of Arden Street called "North Melbourne Football Club". We were't "making way for you" we were stealing your VFL licence. Someone with a brain stopped it on your end and it really ****ed us up, perhaps permanently.
 
Augustine said:
Keep telling yourself that haha. It was a North takeover. A team playing out of Arden Street called "North Melbourne Football Club". We were't "making way for you" we were stealing your VFL licence. Someone with a brain stopped it on your end and it really ****** us up, perhaps permanently.
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I'm not telling myself anything. It's very clear in the contemporary documents and news sources.

We resolved to move to Arden Street.

North Melbourne FC folded itself to make way for us. That's a fact.

We were "Essendon FC" and that's what we still would have been called, no matter what NMFC revisionism goes on.

Of course it could have changed down the track given we would have been based in North Melbourne, that's what we're highlighting. But it would have been up to a vote of our members, and it's not a given it would have happened - just like we never became East Melbourne FC. It certainly wasn't a condition of moving to the ground.

It wasn't someone at our end that stopped it. If we didn't want to move there, we wouldn't have. The VFA cracked the shits, and petitioned the Minister of Parks to block our tenancy of Arden Street. He did so and we were forced elsewhere, namely Windy Hill.
 
Bunk Moreland said:
I'm not telling myself anything. It's very clear in the contemporary documents and news sources.

We resolved to move to Arden Street.

North Melbourne FC folded itself to make way for us. That's a fact.

We were "Essendon FC" and that's what we still would have been called, no matter what NMFC revisionism goes on.

Of course it could have changed down the track given we would have been based in North Melbourne, that's what we're highlighting. But it would have been up to a vote of our members, and it's not a given it would have happened - just like we never became East Melbourne FC. It certainly wasn't a condition of moving to the ground.

It wasn't someone at our end that stopped it. If we didn't want to move there, we wouldn't have. The VFA cracked the shits, and petitioned the Minister of Parks to block our tenancy of Arden Street. He did so and we were forced elsewhere, namely Windy Hill.
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Norf Essington?
 
Jade said:
We could have been the North Melbourne Football Club.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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Always knew you wore boomer harvey undies :p
 
Big Animal said:
According to the Australian Trade Mark Register, (Fremantle) Dockers was selected amongst:
  • Courage
  • Hammers (Zac Dawson endorsed this name, though preferred Fists)
  • Mariners
  • Stokers
  • Union
I really can't work out which of these I like more
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These are all pretty bad.

The Fremantle Courage!

Sounds like a women's basketball team. So fierce!
 
Bunk Moreland said:
Although they had to add the teal or whatever, always thought Port should have simply gone with 'Port Adelaide Football Club' for anything official, and not come up with some cheap nickname.

Then the people could call them what they like.
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While I don't mind the Dockers as a name, it's so 90s and s**t and ill thought out it – but also forward thinking and risky – completely suits the club, calling us just the Fremantle Football Club could work. Fremantle is a footballing town and similar to Port Adelaide, there is already a distinction between the new team and the other one in the city. They also both shorten to 'Freo' and 'Port' which work well as shorthands, nicknames, for TV, and for 'carn Freo!'s at bouncedown.

But it was the 1990s when marketing seeped into world sports and everything become about selling. Premier League started, big TV deals, lots of NBA teams changing their colour schemes, all sorts of stuff really changed. You needed an angle. Nowadays clubs are realising the greatest asset they have is their history – North are embracing the 'North' shorthand, they seem to use 'Kangaroos' less despite it being a great nickname, and of course reverted back to their full name (though their recent choice in inverting the jumper and the modern tacky logo goes against what I thought they were doing), the Dees are concentrating on the Melbourne name, Bulldogs use their old jumper again, things like this are really going to become a selling point.
 

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Gydafud said:
Geelong were the Pivotonians up until 1925ish, after some tale of a black cat turning up at a 3 quarter time huddle, leading to Cats name being adopted.
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so that's why the arthouse cinema across from Kardinia Park is named the Pivotonian.
 
Bedi said:
what does it even mean??
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Norwood is still called the Redlegs in the SANFL although we briefly changed our name to the Demons for a few years in the early 60’s. The name came about because in our first season the players wore distinctive red stockings and the name just stuck
 
Great8 said:
Norwood is still called the Redlegs in the SANFL although we briefly changed our name to the Demons for a few years in the early 60’s. The name came about because in our first season the players wore distinctive red stockings and the name just stuck
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Wasn't it Norwood that wore the one piece lycra jumpers in the 90s as well?
 
Bunk Moreland said:
I'm not telling myself anything. It's very clear in the contemporary documents and news sources.

We resolved to move to Arden Street.

North Melbourne FC folded itself to make way for us. That's a fact.

We were "Essendon FC" and that's what we still would have been called, no matter what NMFC revisionism goes on.

Of course it could have changed down the track given we would have been based in North Melbourne, that's what we're highlighting. But it would have been up to a vote of our members, and it's not a given it would have happened - just like we never became East Melbourne FC. It certainly wasn't a condition of moving to the ground.

It wasn't someone at our end that stopped it. If we didn't want to move there, we wouldn't have. The VFA cracked the shits, and petitioned the Minister of Parks to block our tenancy of Arden Street. He did so and we were forced elsewhere, namely Windy Hill.
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Are you still running with this line of crap?

The '"Passing" of Essendon.

By OLD BOY. 1 July 1921

The decision of the Essendon committee to transfer to North Melbourne when their tenancy of the East Melbourne ground terminated has aroused much comment. The residents of Essendon are particularly upset at the failure of the old club to return to its own district. It is many a long day since the late Mr. A. McCracken and his associates settled the Essendon club at East Melbourne, and it has always been understood that a promise was given in those far-off days that Essendon would remain loyal to East Melbourne. Mr. McCracken was too good an Essendon resident to have done anything to injure the name or reputation of the club in which he took so great an interest, and I feel sure that had he been alive he would have never consented to a move which can have only one ending - the ultimate disappearance of the name of Essendon from the list of League clubs.

It is an open boast at North Melbourne, "We will amalgamate with Essendon, and if not, we'll absorb them in a couple of years." There is a section of the North Melbourne committee which has supportted the Essendon proposals, and the result us that the North Melbourne club after holding the North Melbourne ground for 56 years is tobe sacrificed to make room for a club which already has a ground in the district which bears its name. North Melbourne has long desired to be in the League ever since the day in 1897 when the League clubs broke away from the association and left Footscray Williamstown, Port Melbourne- North Melbourne- and Richmond to carry on the -Association. Richmond has been readmiitted to the fold and now North Melbourne is to gain its ambition. It may have to trade under the name of Essendon for a while but it will be North Melbourne all the same.

Essendon's long and successful career will soon be swamped in the merging of the two clubs, and its identity will be lost. The Essendon residents, headed by Mr E H Kinnear and Mr A.F. Showers did all in their power to keep Essendon at Essendon, but without avail and the feeling at Essendon is the more bitter because early in the year, when the Essendon committee was assailed by a reform party, the Essendon residential Vote gave solid support for the men then in office and kept them there. All the romance of Essendon has been sacrificed for the prospective gain of extra gate money at North Melbourne.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4700190?searchTerm=essendon football 1921&searchLimits=

There are further records stating that the North Melbourne Council would have required the new entity to be called North Melbourne.

North had by far the better players at the time, so we would have basically taken your licence and the EFC would have become a footnote in history.

When the VFA caught wind of this, "The Association protested to Mr David Oman, the state Minister for Lands, requesting that he veto Essendon's move to North Melbourne; the ground was owned by the Melbourne City Council, so the Minister for Lands had the final say on its use. On 11 August, Mr Oman upheld the Association's protest, and refused Essendon permission to use the North Melbourne ground. This left North Melbourne without a senior team, Essendon without a home venue for 1922, and the future of the Essendon Club at risk."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921_VFA_season

Our fans weren't happy about it either. It was basically an inside job of a few office bearers.

AMALGAMATION WITH ESSENDON (July 2, 1921)

At a spécial meeting of the North Melbourne committee, it was, decided that as the North Melbourne ground it had been handed over to the Essendon club by the City Council, the club should disband. The decision was reached late on Thursday night, and many of the North Melbourne players to put themselves within the permit rules which provide that no permits shall be granted after July 1, made out applications to transfer elsewhere. The North Melbourne delegate at the Association meeting on Monday night denied any knowledge of any arrangements between the Essendon and North Melbourne clubs, but it transpired yesterday that the Essendon committee is to make room for two North Melbourne representatives.

Strong indignation was expressed by many North Melbourne supporters, who resent the action of the committee in having decided on the disbandment of the club without consulting the members. They complained that not only has their club been broken up without their consent, but that they have paid their subscription for this season, and their tickets entitle them to admittance to ten more matches. They point out that for 58 years North Melbourne has been a senior team, and that no committee has any power to disband the club on its own initiative. It is likely that steps will be taken by North Melbourne members to call upon the committee to explain its actions.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4699670?searchTerm=North Melbourne Football Club &searchLimits=

I draw the readers attention to the words, "no permits shall be granted after July 1". North did not "disband", the club fielded a side in the 1921 VFA season. The North players had signed VFL permits to play as VFL players and were no longer allowed to play as VFA players after the 30th of June. North simply couldn't field a side beyond this point, and the VFA disqualified the club for the remainder of 1921 anyway. North recorded 5 wins from 8 matches in this season.

North returned to VFA football in 1922 and finished 3rd.

Essendon took off when it worked out that it was in fact the mark, with the North list that had signed on prior to July 1st for Windy Hill and a side that had not even played finals in a decade, then promptly won back to back flags in 1923 and 1924 with Norths Syd Barker as captain coach.

Bunk, consider yourself lectured.
 
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Snake_Baker said:
Are you still running with this line of crap?

The '"Passing" of Essendon.

By OLD BOY. 1 July 1921

The decision of the Essendon committee to transfer to North Melbourne when their tenancy of the East Melbourne ground terminated has aroused much comment. The residents of Essendon are particularly upset at the failure of the old club to return to its own district. It is many a long day since the late Mr. A. McCracken and his associates settled the Essendon club at East Melbourne, and it has always been understood that a promise was given in those far-off days that Essendon would remain loyal to East Melbourne. Mr. McCracken was too good an Essendon resident to have done anything to injure the name or reputation of the club in which he took so great an interest, and I feel sure that had he been alive he would have never consented to a move which can have only one ending - the ultimate disappearance of the name of Essendon from the list of League clubs.

It is an open boast at North Melbourne, "We will amalgamate with Essendon, and if not, we'll absorb them in a couple of years." There is a section of the North Melbourne committee which has supportted the Essendon proposals, and the result us that the North Melbourne club after holding the North Melbourne ground for 56 years is tobe sacrificed to make room for a club which already has a ground in the district which bears its name. North Melbourne has long desired to be in the League ever since the day in 1897 when the League clubs broke away from the association and left Footscray Williamstown, Port Melbourne- North Melbourne- and Richmond to carry on the -Association. Richmond has been readmiitted to the fold and now North Melbourne is to gain its ambition. It may have to trade under the name of Essendon for a while but it will be North Melbourne all the same.

Essendon's long and successful career will soon be swamped in the merging of the two clubs, and its identity will be lost. The Essendon residents, headed by Mr E H Kinnear and Mr A.F. Showers did all in their power to keep Essendon at Essendon, but without avail and the feeling at Essendon is the more bitter because early in the year, when the Essendon committee was assailed by a reform party, the Essendon residential Vote gave solid support for the men then in office and kept them there. All the romance of Essendon has been sacrificed for the prospective gain of extra gate money at North Melbourne.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4700190?searchTerm=essendon football 1921&searchLimits=

There are further records stating that the North Melbourne Council would have required the new entity to be called North Melbourne.

North had by far the better players at the time, so we would have basically taken your licence and the EFC would have become a footnote in history.

When the VFA caught wind of this, "The Association protested to Mr David Oman, the state Minister for Lands, requesting that he veto Essendon's move to North Melbourne; the ground was owned by the Melbourne City Council, so the Minister for Lands had the final say on its use. On 11 August, Mr Oman upheld the Association's protest, and refused Essendon permission to use the North Melbourne ground. This left North Melbourne without a senior team, Essendon without a home venue for 1922, and the future of the Essendon Club at risk."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921_VFA_season

Our fans weren't happy about it either. It was basically an inside job of a few office bearers.

AMALGAMATION WITH ESSENDON (July 2, 1921)

At a spécial meeting of the North Melbourne committee, it was, decided that as the North Melbourne ground it had been handed over to the Essendon club by the City Council, the club should disband. The decision was reached late on Thursday night, and many of the North Melbourne players to put themselves within the permit rules which provide that no permits shall be granted after July 1, made out applications to transfer elsewhere. The North Melbourne delegate at the Association meeting on Monday night denied any knowledge of any arrangements between the Essendon and North Melbourne clubs, but it transpired yesterday that the Essendon committee is to make room for two North Melbourne representatives.

Strong indignation was expressed by many North Melbourne supporters, who resent the action of the committee in having decided on the disbandment of the club without consulting the members. They complained that not only has their club been broken up without their consent, but that they have paid their subscription for this season, and their tickets entitle them to admittance to ten more matches. They point out that for 58 years North Melbourne has been a senior team, and that no committee has any power to disband the club on its own initiative. It is likely that steps will be taken by North Melbourne members to call upon the committee to explain its actions.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4699670?searchTerm=North Melbourne Football Club &searchLimits=

I draw the readers attention to the words, "no permits shall be granted after July 1". North did not "disband", the club fielded a side in the 1921 VFA season. The North players had signed VFL permits to play as VFL players and were no longer allowed to play as VFA players after the 30th of June. North simply couldn't field a side beyond this point, and the VFA disqualified the club for the remainder of 1921 anyway. North recorded 5 wins from 8 matches in this season.

North returned to VFA football in 1922 and finished 3rd.

Essendon took off when it worked out that it was in fact the mark, with the North list that had signed on prior to July 1st for Windy Hill and a side that had not even played finals in a decade, then promptly won back to back flags in 1923 and 1924 with Norths Syd Barker as captain coach.

Bunk, consider yourself lectured.
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What?

It all supports precisely what I said.
 
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