This is his third and final year as a Category B rookie, so he his only left with two options at the end of the year; promoted to the senior list or delisted. He'd have to do a lot to avoid the latter.
List Mgmt. Who is playing for their careers in 2017?
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Like, actually get on the field.
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He'd have to show enough to be worth persisting with too, a big ask for a bloke who is still brand new to the game coming off two major injuries. Let's hope he can do it, would be nice if he ended up the better of the two.
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gee with additions like Barrett, Lyons and Hinge guys like lester and beams are not looking good
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Bump.
We have 20 players coming out of contract at the end of this year.
Tom Rockliff, Nicholas Robertson, Michael Close, Daniel McStay, Tom Cutler, Claye Beams, Jonathan Freeman, Ryan Harwood, Jarrad Jensen, Josh Schache, Ben Keays, Josh Clayton, Cian Hanley (R), Matthew Hammelmann (R), Reuben William (R), Matt Eagles (R), Blake Grewar (R), Jake Barrett (R), Mitchell Hinge (R), Oscar McInerney (R).
IMO-
Sign them up now- Rockliff, Robertson, McStay, Schache and Keays have all done enough.
Probable re signings- Close, Cutler, William, Grewar, Barrett, Hinge, Hammelmann and McInerney have shown some good signs.
Will have to start showing something consistently- Beams, Freeman, Harwood, Clayton and Hanley are still very much playing for their careers.
Gone bar a miracle- Jansen and Eagles.
Should we be getting these re signings rolling now?
We have 20 players coming out of contract at the end of this year.
Tom Rockliff, Nicholas Robertson, Michael Close, Daniel McStay, Tom Cutler, Claye Beams, Jonathan Freeman, Ryan Harwood, Jarrad Jensen, Josh Schache, Ben Keays, Josh Clayton, Cian Hanley (R), Matthew Hammelmann (R), Reuben William (R), Matt Eagles (R), Blake Grewar (R), Jake Barrett (R), Mitchell Hinge (R), Oscar McInerney (R).
IMO-
Sign them up now- Rockliff, Robertson, McStay, Schache and Keays have all done enough.
Probable re signings- Close, Cutler, William, Grewar, Barrett, Hinge, Hammelmann and McInerney have shown some good signs.
Will have to start showing something consistently- Beams, Freeman, Harwood, Clayton and Hanley are still very much playing for their careers.
Gone bar a miracle- Jansen and Eagles.
Should we be getting these re signings rolling now?
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Sign now: Rockliff, Schache, Robbo, Mcstay, Keays (thought Keays had re-signed already), Cutler, Barrett
De-list: Eagles, Jansen, Clayton/Hinge, Hanley
Everyone else is 5050. I like Josh Clayton but wouldn't think he is talented enough for AFL level. Hinge depends on Skinners recovery. Don't think he'll be an afl level defender.
De-list: Eagles, Jansen, Clayton/Hinge, Hanley
Everyone else is 5050. I like Josh Clayton but wouldn't think he is talented enough for AFL level. Hinge depends on Skinners recovery. Don't think he'll be an afl level defender.
Required: Rockliff, Schache, Robertson, McStay, Keyes, Cutler, Barrett
Keep: CBeams, McInerney, William, Barrett, Hammelman
But these guys need focus areas to develop...
CBeams: defensive Half forward
McInerney: clearly ruck, but speed would help.
William: afl sense.
Barrett: back pocket. Do kick ins.
Hammelman: get bigger and tougher. Pinch hit in the ruck for a bit.
Delist: Jansen, Clayton, Freeman, Harwood
TBA: CHanley, Eagles, Grewar, Hinge
I really hope CHanley and Eagles make it, but that's pure sentimentality.
Keep: CBeams, McInerney, William, Barrett, Hammelman
But these guys need focus areas to develop...
CBeams: defensive Half forward
McInerney: clearly ruck, but speed would help.
William: afl sense.
Barrett: back pocket. Do kick ins.
Hammelman: get bigger and tougher. Pinch hit in the ruck for a bit.
Delist: Jansen, Clayton, Freeman, Harwood
TBA: CHanley, Eagles, Grewar, Hinge
I really hope CHanley and Eagles make it, but that's pure sentimentality.
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I wouldn't be surprised if we delist one or two guys who are contracted. We just have to pay them out (or hope someone else signs them as a delisted free agent). It could be possible with ongoing afl support to fund the payouts (as a sort of back room recognition of our situation)
If fagan doesn't see a future for one (or two) of bell, Bewick, walker, bastinac and even frost after having a full season to work with them and they are going to sit in the reserves next year why not delist now and free up a list spot to look at other players.
Last year I think we would have loved to have 1/2 more list spots free to try and sign say Lyons given he was prepared to shift to Queensland or to have targeted a first round pick last year instead of the future port pick we now have for Hanley.
I wouldn't be surprised if we delist one or two guys who are contracted. We just have to pay them out (or hope someone else signs them as a delisted free agent). It could be possible with ongoing afl support to fund the payouts (as a sort of back room recognition of our situation)
If fagan doesn't see a future for one (or two) of bell, Bewick, walker, bastinac and even frost after having a full season to work with them and they are going to sit in the reserves next year why not delist now and free up a list spot to look at other players.
Last year I think we would have loved to have 1/2 more list spots free to try and sign say Lyons given he was prepared to shift to Queensland or to have targeted a first round pick last year instead of the future port pick we now have for Hanley.
Interesting idea. This would be my strategy as list manager:
1. Keyes. Keep.
2. Harwood. Delist.
3. Christensen. Keep.
4. Bastinac. ????
5. Robinson. Keep.
6. McCluggage. Keep.
7. Bell. Delist.
8. Bewick. Delist.
9. DBeams. Keep.
10. Rich. Keep.
11. CHanley. ????
12. Martin. Keep.
13. Berry. Keep.
14. Walker. Keep.
15. Zorko. Keep.
16. Jansen. Delist.
17. CBeams. Keep.
18. Robertson. Keep.
19. Clayton. Delist.
20. Cox. Keep.
21. Skinner. Keep
22. Paparone. Keep
23. Schache. Keep.
24. Dawson. Delist.
25. McStay. Keep.
26. Cutler. Keep
27. Gardiner. Delist.
28. Taylor. Keep.
29. Witherden. Keep.
30. Hipwood. Keep.
31. Andrews. Keep.
32. Mayes. Keep.
33. Close. Keep.
34. Freeman. Delist.
35. Lester. Keep.
36. Mathieson. Keep.
37. Allison. Keep.
38. Rockliff. Keep.
39. Lyons. ????
40. Hammelman. Keep.
41. Eagles. ????
42. Hinge. ????
43. Barrett. Keep.
44. Smith. Keep.
45. Frost. Keep
46. McInerney. Keep
47. William. Keep
48. Grewar. ????
Expected 2018 Ranking... (in order) - I delisted those that I'd rank last in these areas... ? Indicates undecided.
Best 22*.
KPD: Andrews*, Walker*, McStay*, Skinner, Allison, Frost, Eagles?
Rebounder: Robertson*, Berry*, Cox*, Witherden+, William, Hanley?
Wings: Paparone*, Cutler*, Mayes*
Midfield: DBeams*, Rockliff*, Zorko*, Christensen*, McCluggage*, Keyes*, Mathieson+, Bastinac?, Lyons?, Hinge?, Grewar?
Ruck: Martin*, Smith*, McInerney
HF: Robinson*, Taylor*, Rich*, CBeams+, Lester, Barrett
KPF: Schache*, Hipwood*, Hammelman, Close
So... 2018 best team...
Andrews, Walker, McStay
Robertson, Berry, Cox
Paparone, Zorko, Cutler
Martin, Rockliff, DBeams
Robinson, Taylor, Rich
Schache, Hipwood, Smith
Int: Christensen, McCluggage, Keyes, Mayes
Emergency: Witherden, Mathieson, CBeams
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You lost me at "Gardiner-delist"
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I thought a lot of these guys have contracts to 2018 and 2019 so players like Bell, Bastanic and Frost here to stay at least next year for Bell and 2019 for Frost/Bastinac.
Unless someone wants them
This link is in another thread
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/player-contract-status.1056345/
Unless someone wants them
This link is in another thread
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/player-contract-status.1056345/
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Yep, that's where I got the list from in post #55, 20 players coming OOC in the 1 year seems a lot to me, not sure if that is the normal practice or not.
Messrs Bell, Walker and Bewick who have just been selected for the Hawks game have a bit more time but it could be a slow painful exit in the NEAFL if they don't start showing something soon.
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There were 20 OOC players on the wall, if one should happen to re sign there are 19 OOC players on the wall.
One down tonight, Tom Cutler re signs* 19 more decisions to make for the club.
*Jarrod Berry Was OOC 2018, now 2020.
One down tonight, Tom Cutler re signs* 19 more decisions to make for the club.
*Jarrod Berry Was OOC 2018, now 2020.
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When it comes to playing for your careers this was a very informative quote form Chris Fagan in the post game presser last night. mmm!
"Sometimes some of the blokes in the middle part of our list don't put in enough effort for the number of games they've played, that's disappointing but you know what I couldn't fault blokes like Beamsy, Daniel Rich and Zorks, tonight they really had a crack as they have all year".
Who could he be talking about? Come on down Tom Bell (71 games), Ryan Harwood (79), Ryan Lester (89), Claye Beams (51), Claye got injured early last night but Fagan was talking about the year as a whole IMO so I would add to the list Ryan Bastinac (146) and Rohan Bewick (97).
Changes are coming boys.
"Sometimes some of the blokes in the middle part of our list don't put in enough effort for the number of games they've played, that's disappointing but you know what I couldn't fault blokes like Beamsy, Daniel Rich and Zorks, tonight they really had a crack as they have all year".
Who could he be talking about?
Come on down Tom Bell (71 games), Ryan Harwood (79), Ryan Lester (89), Claye Beams (51), Claye got injured early last night but Fagan was talking about the year as a whole IMO so I would add to the list Ryan Bastinac (146) and Rohan Bewick (97).Changes are coming boys.
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Probably a bit harsh on lester. He's been ok this year.
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Yer I thought the same thing, but it was more that Fagan didn't mention him when praising Zorks, Richy and Beamsy.
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I came around to the Lester does what Lester does and he holds his spot in the side.
Love him to do more although he has been steady each week.
Harwood, Basti, Bell, Bewick and C Beams all look in trouble.
Although like Mayes and Rich I think Harwood is better across half forward. Same as Walker and McStay they are all forwards we sent back
Love him to do more although he has been steady each week.
Harwood, Basti, Bell, Bewick and C Beams all look in trouble.
Although like Mayes and Rich I think Harwood is better across half forward. Same as Walker and McStay they are all forwards we sent back
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Why have the winds turned on Freeman so quickly? I really saw a future for him. Is it simply poor performances in the NEAFL?
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Is ok good enough though? There's just something about the way he plays, he's just a little to slow when under pressure with the ball and sometimes doesn't make a contest with out the ball. He's a serviceable player but is he a player that is going to take the team forward I would say no.
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Lester has certainly been the best we have seen him this year. And we need blokes like him in the team. Hard working role players. But he has hit his peak and is unlikely to get much better. He has surprised me a little this year. Although last year i was very surprised that he was given a 2 yr contract.
With Freeman it simply comes down available list spots for free agents and/or draft picks, and the need to upgrade rookies who show more promise.
Nothing against him, he's just likely to be squeezed out to make room for others.
Unless Noble pays out several contracted players.
Play Freeman this week. Give him a crack. Played Collingwwod couple of years ago at the G and kicked 4 or 5 what I could remember.
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Spot on !When it comes to playing for your careers this was a very informative quote form Chris Fagan in the post game presser last night. mmm!
"Sometimes some of the blokes in the middle part of our list don't put in enough effort for the number of games they've played, that's disappointing but you know what I couldn't fault blokes like Beamsy, Daniel Rich and Zorks, tonight they really had a crack as they have all year".
Who could he be talking about?
Changes are coming boys.
As I've said previously in relation to retaining both Freeman and Hammelmann for 2018, there is an option is to promote Hammelmann to the senior list and demote Freeman to the rookie list.
