Who Plays in The Ashes
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Say if England goes 1-0 down in the series ,the squad leaves us with nowhere to turn..
I would have considered the likes of Duckett , Hales , Buttler , Footitt , Curran ,etc
the players they picked arent good enough .
I would have considered the likes of Duckett , Hales , Buttler , Footitt , Curran ,etc
the players they picked arent good enough .
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There was last tour ,but they didnt use any of the players.
I advocated calling Tymal Mills into the squad at the time , but they never made the move.
Not the strongest team England has ever sent out for a Ashes tour of Australia. It could be the weakest English lineup since the 1990-91 tour.
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Literally anyone but Wade. Maybe Carey. Or (ugh) Nevill.
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I think Ashton Turner could be a smokey for the series. Averaged 53 with the bat last season and I rate his bowling over Cartwright and maybe Maxwell. At any rate, as long as Matthew Wade isn't in the side, I'm happy.
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Literally anyone but Wade. Maybe Carey. Or (ugh) Nevill.
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I think Ashton Turner could be a smokey for the series. Averaged 53 with the bat last season and I rate his bowling over Cartwright and maybe Maxwell. At any rate, as long as Matthew Wade isn't in the side, I'm happy.
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Even if they're 'scrubs' the only player left out who has a better claim is Hameed but he's injured. The fact is the cupboard is bare though ours is too in saying that.
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Only issue is Turner is an offie - don't really need two of those in Aus conditions.
Same reason why I'm not sold on Maxwell here but happy enough for him to play.
Ideally Hilton would be a bit quicker but he's very much focused on the batting these days.
I like what I've seen of Turner, which is admittedly very little in the real format. 44 with the ball at FC level is a concern, but there is little doubt in my mind he is a better bowler than Maxwell (who, frankly, is a horrible long form bowler).
For me Maxwell isn't even a part-time bowler in the long form and should be considered on batting alone.
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You have to remember England in 1989 was ripped apart by the then rebel tour of South Africa under Mike Gatting, which left the English selection panel with very little room to move when they picked the squad for Australia in 1990. That's the reason why players such as Wayne Larkins was chosen for the tour.
94-95 was shithouse.
The only quality bowler was Gough and he was still only developing. Atherton, Thorpe and Stewart were a decent batting trio and Gooch in his absolute twilight made a few runs from memory (a century in Adelaide maybe?) but they were a really average side. Peter such, Phil De Freitas, Devon Malcolm - that was the summer where Slater crashed the first ball of the series through the covers at The Gabba off De Freitas. They never recovered. Though de Freitas if I remember rightly made a ripping 86 off about 70 balls in a bad loss in Melbourne.
2006/07 was pretty bad. Some of those players went on to great things, others had been great before, but they were neither on that tour.
Pietersen was the only player with more than one good match. Collingwood's average was inflated by his only century being a double, Bell couldn't convert his 50s (surprise), and none of the others - Cook and Strauss were the only other batsmen to get a game, but also Geraint Jones, Chris Read, Flintoff and supposedly Ashley Giles - averaged higher than the 20s.
With the ball it was even worse. Hoggard and Panesar were their best with an average of 37, and the latter didn't play until Perth. Flintoff and Harmison (bowling to 2nd slip neva4get) were in the 40s, Sajid Mahmood somehow in the 50s, and Giles was joined by young James Anderson in the 80s.
Awful stuff.
Pietersen was the only player with more than one good match. Collingwood's average was inflated by his only century being a double, Bell couldn't convert his 50s (surprise), and none of the others - Cook and Strauss were the only other batsmen to get a game, but also Geraint Jones, Chris Read, Flintoff and supposedly Ashley Giles - averaged higher than the 20s.
With the ball it was even worse. Hoggard and Panesar were their best with an average of 37, and the latter didn't play until Perth. Flintoff and Harmison (bowling to 2nd slip neva4get) were in the 40s, Sajid Mahmood somehow in the 50s, and Giles was joined by young James Anderson in the 80s.
Awful stuff.
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I just do not understand why they are so obsessed with having these average county batsmen play in the middle order when they have a cornucopia of all-rounders. Use them!
There's always one dropkick who'll drag out KP's name. It's 2017...
Am sceptical of Vince, not sure what makes the selectors feel he'll be a better choice than the incumbent Westley who is also far from convincing. Hameed had an absolute shocker of a season too, but at least there were signs of recovery towards the end so I would have felt he'd have been the more likely punt to come off. End of the day I'd pick Ballance at this point in time though so it's a bit moot arguing over who is the backup batsman.
For the bowling, I'd have felt Plunkett was essential to the squad in Australian conditions, particularly with Roland-Jones unavailable. It's a strength area of theirs, but I think he's got a lot to add as a potential and likely required inclusion at some point.
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He's just getting ready for the tour, thought you still had to be criminal to get let into the country
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Agreed. Bairstow-Stokes-Ali is a good 4-7 and it allows them to have 6 bowling options
Looking forward to the ECB's presser:
- Strauss (or some other muppet) telling us it's not a good for cricket or a good example for the kids.
- Stokes' tearful apology (mainly for getting caught)
- Stokes' promise that it will never happen again
- Stokes' commitment to anger management therapy or AA or a hefty donation to charity
- Then Stokes telling us through the tears that he's looking forward to the summer and bashing the Aussies on the field.
It's the reverse Australia. We drop batsmen to bring in average all-rounders to meet our obsession.
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Pretty sure Pietersen isn't even fit enough to play T20, time to forget about him.
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The Ashes is their Grand Final. MRP will let him off. Incidental contact while diving in for a late night kebab.
KP is the new Brad Hodge, though to be fair to Hodgey he is fitter, so it made a bit more sense for his name to be thrown up long after he had a chance of being picked.
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