Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood?

[Fadge]

Can someone give me the average grand final attendance for those Carlton have played in for this century?

Owen something

 

[carlton_99]

Can someone give me the average grand final attendance for those Carlton have played in for this century?

Wow that one really hurts... you come up with that yourself?

 

[Arr0w]

2024.

Talking of streaks, I notice there is another team with looking to continue an interesting streak at Adelaide Oval.

Carlton at the Adelaide Oval:
7 games
0 wins
7 losses
Average losing margin - 63 points

Will they be 'Owen 8' at the Adelaide Oval after this weekend, or will they be 'Juan and 7' (and even get their average Adelaide Oval margin under negative 10 goals)?

A very interesting statistic.

I'm sure neither result will have an impact on our season

Juan and 3 on the other hand...

 

[Corn Cobbers]

I'm sure neither result will have an impact on our season

Yep Blues already have a top 2 spot wrapped up with their 3 wins [emoji38] [emoji1787] [emoji23]

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[WalshistheGOAT]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.... I could have sworn I've heard for the last couple of years that Charlie only kicks goals from free kicks and that he's awarded more soft free's than anyone ever in the history of ever???

 

[Fadge]

Yep Blues already have a top 2 spot wrapped up with their 3 wins [emoji38] [emoji1787] [emoji23]

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They're even starting to use the term 'dead rubber'.

Oh well, I guess they're accustomed to their season being in the bin by this stage of the year.

'Old habits die hard'.

 

[Fadge]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.... I could have sworn I've heard for the last couple of years that Charlie only kicks goals from free kicks and that he's awarded more soft free's than anyone ever in the history of ever???

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So he posts a table clearly showing Curnow has kicked the most goals from free kicks, in an attempt to prove Charlie doesn't kick the most goals from free kicks.

Oh my.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

They're even starting to use the term 'dead rubber'.

Oh well, I guess they're accustomed to their season being in the bin by this stage of the year.

'Old habits die hard'.

They're actually in pretty much the same position they've been in the last 2 years ie 3 wins before their first loss, couldn't even make finals in one of those years [emoji38]

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[WalshistheGOAT]

So he posts a table clearly showing Curnow has kicked the most goals from free kicks, in an attempt to prove Charlie doesn't kick the most goals from free kicks.

Oh my.

Your brain not turned on today Fudgey?

 

[carlton_99]

So he posts a table clearly showing Curnow has kicked the most goals from free kicks, in an attempt to prove Charlie doesn't kick the most goals from free kicks.

Oh my.

Any proper mathematician would know what is more useful: percentages or raw numbers

 

[Fadge]

Your brain not turned on today Fudgey?

My brain is always turned on.

If I was trying to prove a point, I certainly wouldn't be sharing a table that shows exactly the point that I'm arguing against...

 

[Fadge]

Any proper mathematician would know what is more useful: percentages or raw numbers

Indeed.

Because a player who has:
1 goal in total, and that goal came from a free kick

Is much more looked after by the umpires than a player who has:
100 goals, 70 of which have come from free kicks.

Percentages....

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

My brain is always turned on.

If I was trying to prove a point, I certainly wouldn't be sharing a table that shows exactly the point that I'm arguing against...

Some mathematician...

 

[Fadge]

Some mathematician...

You honestly don't understand that by posting the data you did, would be the same as me finding the 'squibbiest' video of Nick Daicos I could, posting that in the Daicos thread, and saying 'See, I told you Daicos wasn't a squib'!

 

[carlton_99]

Indeed.

Because a player who has:
1 goal in total, and that goal came from a free kick

Is much more looked after by the umpires than a player who has:
100 goals, 70 of which have come from free kicks.

Percentages....

Ok so the player that kicks 100 goals and has 20 from free kicks is more looked after than the player that has kicked 20 goals and has 18 from free kicks. You know full well given a sample size like we have % trumps raw numbers

 

[Arr0w]

Some mathematician...

Apparently they have the best interstate record over the last 2-3 year

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

You honestly don't understand that by posting the data you did, would be the same as me finding the 'squibbiest' video of Nick Daicos I could, posting that in the Daicos thread, and saying 'See, I told you Daicos wasn't a squib'!

That abacus really does come up with some bizarre results

 

[Arr0w]

Yep Blues already have a top 2 spot wrapped up with their 3 wins [emoji38] [emoji1787] [emoji23]

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Nah, just not concerned with either result in the scheme of our season, we ain't Juan and 3

 

[Fadge]

Ok so the player that kicks 100 goals and has 20 free kicks is more looked after than the player that has kicked 20 goals and has 18 from free kicks. You know full well given a sample size like we have % trumps raw numbers

Not necessarily.

I'd need more data.

For example, how many free kicks did each player receive that didn't result in goals?

What were the free kicks for?

We're they legitimate?

How many free kicks that should have been paid were missed?

You can't honestly sit there and conclude Charlie doesn't get a fair go from the umpires compared to the other key forwards going around...

 

[Arr0w]

You honestly don't understand that by posting the data you did, would be the same as me finding the 'squibbiest' video of Nick Daicos I could, posting that in the Daicos thread, and saying 'See, I told you Daicos wasn't a squib'!

Well, Nicki is a squib, so it would be accurate

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Nah, just not concerned with either result in the scheme of our season, we ain't Juan and 3

Cool so you'd be comfortable with a 75 point loss then [emoji38]

What a ridiculous post/attitude

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[Fadge]

Cool so you'd be comfortable with a 75 point loss then [emoji38]

What a ridiculous post/attitude

Well if Carlton are true to form given their record at Adelaide Oval, we can bank on a 63 point loss.

But I'm sure 'this time will be different...'

 

[carlton_99]

You can't honestly sit there and conclude Charlie doesn't get a fair go from the umpires compared to the other key forwards going around...

When did I say this? I have seen no evidence of preferential treatment - there was even a compilation put together of every free he receuved in 2023 and 95% were just blatant.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Well if Carlton are true to form given their record at Adelaide Oval, we can bank on a 63 point loss.

But I'm sure 'this time will be different...'

Yeah there's that too, the ground record... surely you'd want to pop your cherry at the ground?

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[Fadge]

When did I say this? I have seen no evidence of preferential treatment - there was even a compilation put together of every free he receuved in 2023 and 95% were just blatant.

95% were blatant, but they're just not regularly paid to other key forwards.