Society/Culture Working from home vs forced back to the office

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If they wise up and work near home or work from home and meet friends locally?
They wont, though. That relies on your colleagues coincidentally living near you. Plus there aren’t the choices for somewhere to go in the suburbs. Also you’re wfh so probably you’re wearing trackies and a hoodie so won’t wanna go out.
 
Generalising much? You do know lockdown is over right? It’s also the way to go for when Melbourne gets to the population London is now.
If you’ve been to London and driven M25, you’ll know a lot of it goes through countryside

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Generalising much? You do know lockdown is over right? It’s also the way to go for when Melbourne gets to the population London is now.
If you’ve been to London and driven M25, you’ll know a lot of it goes through countryside

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You’re right in that I am speaking very generally. Yes lockdowns are over. But if everyone worked from home, you’d barely know the difference.
 

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I know someone who took seminars online during lockdown. Plenty have survived and they get more attendees on average.

So I can see seminar venues might be a little bit bitter, but there is some bounce back for venues and as the population inv]creases, the city will be more efficient Had we had continued with the daily migration
 
I don’t really think that makes sense. They’re not gonna wfh and then commute to the CBD for after work drinks or lunch time coffee with colleagues are they?
To be fair this is a valid point.

I've not bothered going to work shows for 2 years and haven't been into the CBD for after work drinks for probably 3 ?

Dan Murphy's and bottle shops definitely would have seen a big increase though from people just having a drink at home.

Mind you cost of booze might also make this a bigger issue.
 
But the CBD isn't a Western Suburbs built for commuters.

The CBDs have things people are going to need anyway and has the cultural, political and business institutions which will always have.

Imagine Adelaide CBD with 100k to 200k more people (instead of being shunted to the middle of nowhere) , adequate PT to get around and less cars and carparks and the surrounding parkland would be better looked after.

CBD would be far more vibrant.
That would be horrible, why would you want Adelaide to become more like the congested over populated cesspit that Melbourne and Sydney have become. Adelaide is far better off due to Sydney and Melbourne soaking up our excessive immigration levels

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That would be horrible, why would you want Adelaide to become more like the congested over populated cesspit that Melbourne and Sydney have become. Adelaide is far better off due to Sydney and Melbourne soaking up our excessive immigration levels

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It's more about having them close to all the services available (I'm assuming it's either CBD or shunted to the 'burbs) here.

And less cars, so less congestion, hopefully
 

That is hilariously bad.

I reminds of being told I should come in more often to 'socialise' , they weren't happy with my response of I come to the office to work not socialise
 

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Atlassian should do what works for them, just like any other company should do what's right for them.

Atlassian think WFH brings more productivity, great. Promote WFH and go with it.

CommBank and other Banks seem to suggest time in the office helps also with productivity, great. Promote Hybrid and go with it.

This constant BS that one thing works for one company, so it should work for everyone is just a farce. Run your company how you want to run it, do what works for you. is suspect opinions change from industry to industry?

If workers want a certain lifestyle. Find an employer who offers it, it's literally no different to wanting more money. If your employer doesn't offer it to you, go find one who will.

I personally really like Hybrid. I do 1 day at home week and 4 days in the office. I like to do Wednesdays as it breaks up the week a bit.
 
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Commbank etc are forcing more and more customers online so why not staff?
More and more customers want to be online - if they didn't. CommBank wouldn't be the #1 bank by market cap in Australia - they are clearly doing something right as consumers are giving them their business.

Commbank can run their business however they want. Just like Atlassian can.

Commbank dont think 100% WFH works for them, they want a Hybrid Model last i checked was 50/50, which is pretty reasonable. They are 100% entitled to do what they want, just like Atlassian are, if they think 100% WFH benefits them.

If an employee in that example thinks 50/50 is unreasonable. Go find a workplace that gives you what you want. its literally no different to wanting more pay, or a promotion.
 
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More and more customers want to be online - if they didn't. CommBank wouldn't be the #1 bank by market cap in Australia - they are clearly doing something right as consumers are giving them their business.

This is... a strange argument.

CommBank has been #1 in market cap before online banking was a thing.
 
Just my observations and points from what I’m hearing around the traps at the start of 2024

-Due to housing prices, rising interest rates and cost of living. Most families need 2 incomes to sustain mortgage repayments or sustain their lifestyle choices whether it be schooling, where they live etc
-WFH in the past few years has allowed parents to work remotely and still balance kid drop offs to school or kinder which has allowed the 2 income families to manage keeping their heads above water
-Now interest rates are starting to peak and a lot of families fixed mortgages have ended in the past year or so. Most mortgages have tripled in minimum repayments meaning the household budgets have significantly tightened.
-The big corporations have rode through the talent shortages allowing WFH and have slowly bided their time which inflation has done its thing and now unemployment have slowly crept up. Technically without migration we would be seeing GDP figures pointing towards recession but the government has done this well to show an almost stagnant economy to paper over the cracks of a media fear mongering frenzy that goes with the word recession.
So the start of 2024 the big corporations have started to turn the screws and demand staff back into the office.
-With said pressures from interest rates and cost of living, couples don’t have the same options they had a few years ago and need to decide whether to move on and work at a new organisation on probation with less job security or begrudgingly go back to the office.
The cost of childcare then comes into effect when you can no longer WFH and this is where circumstances become difficult.

There’s no easy answer when it comes to the childcare part because a lot of people go to work and it almost becomes a cost neatral exercise with paying for childcare once income tax is taken into account.

I could be wrong here but the end result is there will be a lot of educated, talented parents (traditionally women) who will be desperately seeking WFH roles to keep their heads above water.
 
More and more customers want to be online - if they didn't. CommBank wouldn't be the #1 bank by market cap in Australia - they are clearly doing something right as consumers are giving them their business.

Commbank can run their business however they want. Just like Atlassian can.

Commbank dont think 100% WFH works for them, they want a Hybrid Model last i checked was 50/50, which is pretty reasonable. They are 100% entitled to do what they want, just like Atlassian are, if they think 100% WFH benefits them.

If an employee in that example thinks 50/50 is unreasonable. Go find a workplace that gives you what you want. its literally no different to wanting more pay, or a promotion.
You are a "peaky blinder" rough nut....or u don't want to know
 
My last job couldn’t be done from home and neither can my next one, but my current can.

All for the same organisation who has a 3/2 policy and any more than 2 days WFH can be negotiated and formally recognised, but standard 3/2 split doesn’t need any special agreement.

Unfortunately my current boss does 4 days only and all in office and expects me in all those 4 days. Rest of team have more leeway and all do 2 days at home. But he’s not a fan of WFH, but is hamstrung by the organisation’s HR policy.

What I have found interesting is they all count any public holidays or annual leave days as their in office days. So the entire team works from home on a Friday, yet with Good Friday coming up they’re all WFH Thursday…

That’s my last day so I can’t WFH as got to hand in my pass and laptop, so guess it’ll be just me and the boss…
 
I'm skeptical of any boss who 'doesn't like WFH' as a default

Just shows they're incapable of actually managing tbh.

Give this a read.

There's benefits in either direction to either management style. X type Managers who refuse to trust their employees wind up having more regulated and clearly defined roles as well as a competitive environment at a cost of requiring more active supervision to maintain. Y type managers who trust their employees to act in their interests - and thus managers who are more likely to allow their workers to work from home - obtain the benefits of increased identification with their job, increased creativity in problem solving and business tasks, and a better relationship/team ethos at the cost of reduced active control and low levels of pulling undesired behaviour into line.

The idea being, both positions are understandable from a positon of seeking the ideal tool for the job, regardless of what that looks like.
 
What I have found interesting is they all count any public holidays or annual leave days as their in office days. So the entire team works from home on a Friday, yet with Good Friday coming up they’re all WFH Thursday…
Thats pretty flexible of them. We've got the same 3/2 split and yeah everyone works from home on Fridays too, but if a public holiday falls on a Friday tough bickies, you aren't allowed to change your WFH day just for that week. Which I find entirely reasonable to be honest.
 
In IT when they outsource the actual production work to people you never meet in person it’s all moot whether you are in a office or elsewhere.

All about rents and property values. Cut them loose I say.

For all the talk about no room for immigration I think you could say there’s plenty of workspace for them…and residential space if it wasn’t about the industry keeping prices high
 
Thats pretty flexible of them. We've got the same 3/2 split and yeah everyone works from home on Fridays too, but if a public holiday falls on a Friday tough bickies, you aren't allowed to change your WFH day just for that week. Which I find entirely reasonable to be honest.

Which is how it should be, but they’re given flexibility to manage their days and take full advantage…
 

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