Covid-19 Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 4 - Ivermectin doesn't work either.

[Chief]

Continued in Part 5:

Covid-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Part 5 - Get vaccinated.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/in-focus/covid-19-vaccination-case-surveillance-051121.pdf In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[faible]

Well, apart from the thousand times I've discussed the higher death rate from Covid on these forums. Can't quote the posts as the threads are locked, but few examples:

Sep 13, 2020
Can you explain why action on the seasonal flu registers at one end, with a substantial mortality rate, but Covid, with yes a higher death rate, registers at the complete opposite end?

Aug 21, 2020
And all this for a virus whose death rate is 0.2 or 0.x%? And many already in palliative care anyway?

Aug 19, 2020
If Covid-19 was like Ebola and had a 50% death rate, then yeah, lockdowns would be warranted. OR if Covid-19 was like the Spanish Flu and killed the young moreso than the elderly, then yeah, lockdowns would be warranted. BUT when Covid-19 is killing what we hear are those already in palliative care and with underlying conditions, then why on earth are we not simply putting all this money and effort into SHIELDING at-risk groups while allowing everyone else to live as normal??

And this is relevant to the common cold... how?

SARS-CoV-2 is more deadly than most influenza strains, which are more deadly than more coronavirus or rhinovirus strains.

SARS-CoV-2 is less deadly than MERS and SARS though, but seemingly more easily spread, and Ebola is significantly more deadly, but harder to spread en-masse the way SARS-CoV-2 has given people get very very sick, very very quickly.

It's a weight of numbers things.

Easily spread + lesser risk of death trumps less easily spread + higher risk of death when it comes to pandemic risk, maths @ work.

 

[darth_timon]

Well, if you think BBC or Peston on ITV are favourable towards the Tories....

I know they are. Most of the British media is at this point. You need only watch Laura Kussenberg for five minutes to realise that. The Tories have presided over one of the worst death rates in the world from this virus, due to repeatedly being slow to act, and they're still picking up gains at local elections. They've blown billions on track and trace (because of the various backhanders), were unable to fund a decent pay rise for nurses yet have plans to spend billions on nuclear weapons, and a footballer did more for the provision of school meals for disadvantaged schoolkkds than any Tory, yet these facts barely ripple across the public consciousness.

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[mcnulty]

Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard

GOV.UK Coronavirus dashboard

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

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The UK has also been in lockdown during that time. They’re just opening up now, and they aim to be where we currently are in terms of social restrictions in another month. That’ll be the real test for their herd immunity.

Again, we get to see how they go.

 

[faible]

And, successful? Not successful? Should be attempted again? Same sort of lockdowns in two years time to eradicate the common cold, for example? Love to hear your thoughts.

Covid-19 IS a family member of the common cold...literally a coronavirus...the people that keep brainwashing others into thinking it is something else, some different disease that should be treated differently are wrong...yes it has a higher death rate...doesn't change the fundamental nature of what it is.

A navel orange is a sweeter orange than a valencia...still an orange.

So it's not 'literally' the same as influenza now? Which means influenza isn't 'literally' a coronavirus?

Geez it took some work, but you got there. Well done.

Do you understand why you can't use that argument though? That just because the common cold is a coronavirus, and SARS-CoV-2 is a coronavirus, they're not therefore the same?

It's exceptionally flawed logic.

 

[GoldenSky]

And this is relevant to the common cold... how?

SARS-CoV-2 is more deadly than most influenza strains, which are more deadly than more coronavirus or rhinovirus strains.

SARS-CoV-2 is less deadly than MERS and SARS though, but seemingly more easily spread, and Ebola is significantly more deadly, but harder to spread en-masse the way SARS-CoV-2 has given people get very very sick, very very quickly.

It's a weight of numbers things.

Easily spread + lesser risk of death trumps less easily spread + higher risk of death when it comes to pandemic risk, maths @ work.

And, for something easily spread like a coronavirus like Covid-19 or the common cold - good idea to control that or nah? Achievable to stop it or a fool's errand long term?

 

[GoldenSky]

So it's not 'literally' the same as influenza now? Which means influenza isn't 'literally' a coronavirus?

Geez it took some work, but you got there. Well done.

Do you understand why you can't use that argument though? That just because the common cold is a coronavirus, and SARS-CoV-2 is a coronavirus, they're not therefore the same?

It's exceptionally flawed logic.

You're back on to your safe ground of the last page. We're talking about the less serious common cold being a coronavirus, and have been for a while.

Now you're saying because one orange is sweeter than another, it's not an orange. Of course they're both oranges. Of course they're both coronaviruses - just with a different death rate. BUT - crux of the argument here now - that doesn't mean the difference in death rate means you can somehow stop it in a different way.

 

[faible]

And, for something easily spread like a coronavirus like Covid-19 or the common cold - good idea to control that or nah? Achievable to stop it or a fool's errand long term?

You're back on to your safe ground of the last page. We're talking about the less serious common cold being a coronavirus, and have been for a while.

Now you're saying because one orange is sweeter than another, it's not an orange. Of course they're both oranges. Of course they're both coronaviruses - just with a different death rate. BUT - crux of the argument here now - that doesn't mean the difference in death rate means you can somehow stop it in a different way.

They're not the same though, you seem to fundamentally misunderstand this.

It's like saying a Ferrari and a Landcruiser are the same because they're both cars, or a 747 and a Space Shuttle are the same because they both fly.

It's a poor analogy.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Wait. Observe. Look at the science.

How long is it reasonable to wait though; there is always a “new variant” and if the community is only accepting zero positives... it’s a bind we have found ourselves in.

 

[Crankyhawk]

In 20 years time, the reaction to Covid will be a great case study in how polarised and extreme politics in the US lead to the world losing its mind:



NY Times accepts that masks were a political issue, and the politics is what is keeping some people from taking it off.

World losing its mind or just the USA?

 

[Crankyhawk]

You're back on to your safe ground of the last page. We're talking about the less serious common cold being a coronavirus, and have been for a while.

Now you're saying because one orange is sweeter than another, it's not an orange. Of course they're both oranges. Of course they're both coronaviruses - just with a different death rate. BUT - crux of the argument here now - that doesn't mean the difference in death rate means you can somehow stop it in a different way.

The difference in death rate is why we try to stop one and do not GAF about the other

 

[Chief]

How long is it reasonable to wait though

This is what you find out through observation.

It sucks not having a solid timeline right now but I can’t see that we know enough to set specific dates, specific percentages or thresholds.

 

[Seeds]

Gold Coast hairdresser refuses vaccinated customers

Welcome to Rush Hour, news.com.au's breaking news blog.

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it’s begun. The anti vax nutters are coming out in force.

we really are backwards people.

 

[CD Xbow]

Gold Coast hairdresser refuses vaccinated customers

Welcome to Rush Hour, news.com.au's breaking news blog.

www.news.com.au

it’s begun. The anti vax nutters are coming out in force.

we really are backwards people.

Unbelievable.
These sort of actions during the pandemic certainly confirms that some folks have missed on a few evolutionary steps towards becoming modern humans.

 

[Seeds]

This is the biggest event to hit the world since world war 2 and we really are going to reduce all topics on it to a single thread? Are you guys serious? there should be a whole board dedicated to this topic.

 

[Seeds]

This is what you find out through observation.

It sucks not having a solid timeline right now but I can’t see that we know enough to set specific dates, specific percentages or thresholds.

Observe what though? scienctific analysis of the virus will never deliver the answer of what to do becauses it’s a risk vs reward assessment. It can tell you how much the virus will spread but it can’t tell you how much you are willing to tolerate To enjoy your freedoms again.

 

[Chief]

Observe what though?

In trying to work out how safe it is to allow international travel, what do you think we might observe?

 

[Chief]

Official UK Coronavirus Dashboard

GOV.UK Coronavirus dashboard

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

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You must have massive hands.

Also remember Covid deaths in their first wave are highly likely to be undercounted due to lack of testing.

UK official Covid death toll has always undercounted fatalities, analysis shows

Analysis: Excess deaths is the gold standard in assessing the scale of the impact of coronavirus

www.theguardian.com

 

[Frank Bunn]

This is the biggest event to hit the world since world war 2 and we really are going to reduce all topics on it to a single thread? Are you guys serious? there should be a whole board dedicated to this topic.

Agree totally. There should be a whole board and separate threads for

- the origin of Sars-Cov-2
- strategies to protect the vulnerable/flatten the curve/eradicate the virus
- treatment of Covid-19
- vaccines for Covid-19
- use/abuse of emergency powers by governments
- how we get back to normal

 

[Seeds]

In trying to work out how safe it is to allow international travel, what do you think we might observe?

How do you observe it without doing it though?

unless ofcourse you mean free ride and use other countries as the guinea pigs.

 

[Chief]

How do you observe it without doing it though?

unless ofcourse you mean free ride and use other countries as the guinea pigs.

Huh?

I mean monitor. Watch. See what variants arise. See what new methods and technology arises. Invent our own. Learn from others.

There’s no hard date.

 

[adogsfan5]

Yesterday I hopped on a popular news website. The first article with a large photo with a photo of a young woman was about a blood clot. Had to scroll down numerous seconds to see an article about a new treatment for Covid from QLD with a small photo..

I see this being a massive issue and needs to be stopped ASAP.

 

[Seeds]

Huh?

I mean monitor. Watch. See what variants arise. See what new methods and technology arises. Invent our own. Learn from others.

There’s no hard date.

But you will always be watching as new variants are now always a possibility. There is no end date when they stop Coming out now. Do you understand this?

and learning from others means free riding off them. its un Australian to let others take the fall. We need to play our part too.

 

[swingdog]

10 minutes down at the Exhibition building. Still low numbers coming through apparently.

 

[Deliverance]

10 minutes down at the Exhibition building. Still low numbers coming through apparently.

Coming in for what?

 

[Seeds]

10 minutes down at the Exhibition building. Still low numbers coming through apparently.

Huh?