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Garry Lyon - April 15

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23540596-19742,00.html


FOR the sake of the competition, we need a genuine challenger to the mighty Geelong Football Club.

A team that can look the Cats in the eye and truly believe it can defeat them on any day, but especially the day that counts the most.
That team is Hawthorn, and it can win the 2008 premiership.
The Hawks have already gone into games this year without Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Campbell Brown, Shane Crawford, Jordan Lewis and Trent Croad, yet they have not missed a beat.

They sit on top of the ladder after obliterating Melbourne in Round 1, whacking Fremantle at Subiaco, running over the top of North Melbourne - last year's preliminary finalist - when they were down to bare numbers, then dealt with an Adelaide team that many believed was the real deal.

Of course, the Cats remain very warm favourites to go back to back, and any challenger must be stacked up against the imperious machine from Skilled Stadium.

Geelong has not put a foot wrong since hoisting the cup last year, and carries itself like a team comfortable with the title of competition's best.

But if this is a high-stakes game of poker and Mark Thompson is sitting at the table with a royal flush in his hand, Alastair Clarkson is staring him down with a full house. Aces full of kings, too, if you don't mind.

ATTACK

IS THERE a more talented and skilful half-forward in the competition than Norm Smith medallist Steve Johnson?
Amazingly, there is - at Hawthorn. His name is Lance "Buddy" Franklin, and he is the most difficult player to match up on in recent memory.
Cameron Mooney is a physical presence in the Cats' forward line that other teams can only hope to emulate.

Hawk Jarryd Roughead is developing into that role as well as anyone and his development has been somewhat overlooked in the Buddymania.

Paul Chapman is adored among the Cats faithful, and the rest of the football world is slowly catching on as to why.
He kicked 30 goals last year and gave at least that many away; 60 goals is a contribution that is almost impossible to match from a small forward.

Except if your name is Mark Williams, who kicked exactly that many in the 2006 season. Reduced to only four games last year through injury, his timely return makes the Hawks even more potent.

However, by all of the measurements taken this year, the Hawks have been more efficient when going forward than the Cats.

MIDFIELD

GEELONG'S midfield was without peer last year. If you were to rate the Cats' top six onballers and compare them to Hawthorn's top six, it's clear the challenger has arrived.
It is, of course, subjective and the Cats get a half a point here and there because of the premiership, but you get the idea.

They are both incredibly talented groups who have been performing at a consistently high level for a number of years.


DEFENCE

THIS is the area that sets Geelong apart. Matthew Scarlett rarely has his colours lowered and also wins plenty of the ball and has the confidence to run and attack, knowing he will have his back covered.
Darren Milburn is the next most important cog in the Cats' back half. As much as anyone in the game, he has the balance right between playing tight and zoning off his opponent.

His value can never be overstated.

Tom Harley provides great leadership and stability.

But as was evident on Saturday against Nick Riewoldt early, the Cats ideally would have Matthew Egan taking the opposition's most dangerous half-forward and Harley picking up the third forward option.

David Wojcinski provides the dash, Josh Hunt picks up the small forward and Andrew Mackie is as good a Mr Fixit as you could hope for.

Corey Enright is always there if necessary and Harry Taylor illustrates just how well the Cats are served for depth.

The Hawks rely heavily on Trent Croad to pick up opposition "monster" forwards. Stephen Gilham and Tom Murphy are developing and Robert Campbell is capable of doing a job in defence if the match-up is right.
Campbell Brown is probably their only genuine A-grade defender, with Grant Birchall showing every indication he may get there soon..

BRING IT ON

UNBELIEVABLY, we won't get to see these two teams square off against each other until Round 17, on a Friday night at the MCG.
Get yourself a ticket for that match, if you can, right now. By that stage I reckon the Hawthorn boys will be climbing over each other to measure themselves up against the yardstick of the competition.
I fully expect them to face off again at the same venue nine weeks later :D
 
Could it end up like Essendon Vs Hawthorn, 2001 Rd 9?

It coooooooould.

But I don't think so.

From memory we had an extremely favourable draw and Essendon was the first really big challenge.

Of the 8 teams we had beaten, 6 of them were in the bottom half of the table by the end of round 8. By the end of the year 6 of these teams were still in the bottom half of the table.

So far this year we've beaten 2 of our bogey sides and won in WA. 4 different grounds in 4 weeks, with a 5th to come means we're handling the travelling and we're beating quality opposition. (except for the 1st quart of the north game we're beating them quite well too!)
 

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At this stage round 17 is a long way off. We are four games into the season and while we are currently travelling well wouldn't like to get too far ahead of ourselves.

IMO Geelong are the complete team - we still have areas that need refining
 
3 things.

last year we went better against top sides then middling ones.

We believe we will beat geelong no matter where they aor we are

They believe we will beat them - roll back to Thommos comments before the last time we met
"Dont know how we'll beat the flooding etc"

Beating them head to head is infinitely easier than coming on top on the ladder.

But we just have to come higher than all non victorian teams and in top 4 to be a real chance
 
what happens if buddy gets injured?


are we still a threat to geelong?

What ifs may apply to Geelong too - the other 14 teams too, for that matter.
 
Buddy....Schmuddy!
With or without makes no difference, our forward depth has no equal.


I think you are kidding yourself - while we may have depth, Buddy is the key to our forward line. Teams are double and triple teaming buddy in the hope of stopping him and this is leaving it open for our other forwards to take advantage. Take buddy out of the equation and it's a whole new ball game.
 

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Buddy....Schmuddy!
With or without makes no difference, our forward depth has no equal.


Completely agree! But don't get me wrong, Buddy is vital to our success but we have an overwhelming supply of support that would easily step up and fill the void. Especially with Willow back in the side, Rioli's addition and even Ozzys amazing jump in form, not to menton Roughy and Boyle would be 2 goals better with Franklin missing.
It's a wonderful positon to be in:thumbsu:
 
If Buddy was injured for a season you'd suddenly see Roughy, Willo, Boyle and 1 of Thorp and Dowler all turn into 40 goal forwards.

When 1 goes down, two come up to fill the void. Look at last year without willo - Roughy and Buddy kicked 110 between them. Look at this year so far without Croady - Murph and Gilly have stepped up like they own the place.

Crawf Hodge and Lewis go down,

Tuck, Ellis, Dew, Rioli, Osborne and Bateman all take their games to a new level.

The drive to thrive in this group is incredible!
 
Gary Lyon: Hawks to take Cats' crown

Hawks to take Cats’ crown


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Garry Lyon

Tuesday, April 15, 2008 at 10:57am




FOR the sake of the competition, we need a genuine challenger to the mighty Geelong Football Club.
A team that can look the Cats in the eye and truly believe it can defeat them on any day, but especially the day that counts the most.
That team is Hawthorn, and it can win the 2008 premiership.
The Hawks have already gone into games this year without Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Campbell Brown, Shane Crawford, Jordan Lewis and Trent Croad, yet they have not missed a beat.
They sit on top of the ladder after obliterating Melbourne in Round 1, whacking Fremantle at Subiaco, running over the top of North Melbourne - last year’s preliminary finalist - when they were down to bare numbers, then dealt with an Adelaide team that many believed was the real deal.
Of course, the Cats remain very warm favourites to go back to back, and any challenger must be stacked up against the imperious machine from Skilled Stadium.
Geelong has not put a foot wrong since hoisting the cup last year, and carries itself like a team comfortable with the title of competition’s best.
But if this is a high-stakes game of poker and Mark Thompson is sitting at the table with a royal flush in his hand, Alastair Clarkson is staring him down with a full house. Aces full of kings, too, if you don’t mind.
ATTACK
RATING THE FORWARD LINES
GEELONG HAWTHORN
Mooney 8.5 Roughead 8
Johnson 9 Franklin 9.5
Chapman 9 Williams 8
Hawkins 7 Osborne 6.5
Kelly 7 Rioli 7
Stokes 7 Stokes 6
Total 47.5 Total 45
IS THERE a more talented and skilful half-forward in the competition than Norm Smith medallist Steve Johnson?
Amazingly, there is - at Hawthorn. His name is Lance “Buddy” Franklin, and he is the most difficult player to match up on in recent memory.
Cameron Mooney is a physical presence in the Cats’ forward line that other teams can only hope to emulate.
Hawk Jarryd Roughead is developing into that role as well as anyone and his development has been somewhat overlooked in the Buddymania.
Paul Chapman is adored among the Cats faithful, and the rest of the football world is slowly catching on as to why.
He kicked 30 goals last year and gave at least that many away; 60 goals is a contribution that is almost impossible to match from a small forward.
Except if your name is Mark Williams, who kicked exactly that many in the 2006 season. Reduced to only four games last year through injury, his timely return makes the Hawks even more potent.
However, by all of the measurements taken this year, the Hawks have been more efficient when going forward than the Cats.
FORWARD EFFICIENCY
GEEL HAW
Disposals per goal 7th 3rd
Disposals Inside 50 per goal 13th 1st
% goals Inside 50 3rd 2nd
% scores Inside 50 2nd 1st
MIDFIELD
GEELONG’S midfield was without peer last year. If you were to rate the Cats’ top six onballers and compare them to Hawthorn’s top six, it’s clear the challenger has arrived.
It is, of course, subjective and the Cats get a half a point here and there because of the premiership, but you get the idea.
They are both incredibly talented groups who have been performing at a consistently high level for a number of years.
RATING THE MIDFIELDS
GEELONG HAWTHORN
Ling 8.5 Sewell 8.5
Ablett 9.5 Crawford 8
Bartel 9 Mitchell 9
Corey 8.5 Bateman 8
Selwood 7 Hodge 9
Rooke 7 Lewis 7.5
Ottens/Blake 8.5 Taylor/Campbell 7
Total 58 Total 57
DEFENCE
THIS is the area that sets Geelong apart. Matthew Scarlett rarely has his colours lowered and also wins plenty of the ball and has the confidence to run and attack, knowing he will have his back covered.
Darren Milburn is the next most important cog in the Cats’ back half. As much as anyone in the game, he has the balance right between playing tight and zoning off his opponent.
His value can never be overstated.
Tom Harley provides great leadership and stability.
But as was evident on Saturday against Nick Riewoldt early, the Cats ideally would have Matthew Egan taking the opposition’s most dangerous half-forward and Harley picking up the third forward option.
David Wojcinski provides the dash, Josh Hunt picks up the small forward and Andrew Mackie is as good a Mr Fixit as you could hope for.
Corey Enright is always there if necessary and Harry Taylor illustrates just how well the Cats are served for depth.
The Hawks rely heavily on Trent Croad to pick up opposition “monster” forwards. Stephen Gilham and Tom Murphy are developing and Robert Campbell is capable of doing a job in defence if the match-up is right.
Campbell Brown is probably their only genuine A-grade defender, with Grant Birchall showing every indication he may get there soon.
RATING THE DEFENCES
GEELONG HAWTHORN
Scarlett 9.5 Croad 7.5
Milburn 8.5 Brown 8.5
Harley 7.5 Birchall 7.5
Egan 8 Gilham 7
Wojcinski 7.5 Guerra 7.5
Hunt 7 Murphy 7
Mackie 7.5 Young 7
Total 55.5 Total 52
BRING IT ON
UNBELIEVABLY, we won’t get to see these two teams square off against each other until Round 17, on a Friday night at the MCG.
Get yourself a ticket for that match, if you can, right now. By that stage I reckon the Hawthorn boys will be climbing over each other to measure themselves up against the yardstick of the competition.
I fully expect them to face off again at the same venue nine weeks later.

Come across this article from the hun written by Gary Lyon, interesting read, I cant wait for Round 17..........
 

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