List Mgmt. General Trade/Draft/Free Agency Discussion/Speculation

[Swanhotels]

Does anyone else have this feeling that we are up to our necks in the trade for Heath Shaw?

Things are too quiet on this front & I can see him coming to us for less money purely because of his brother & the chance to win a flag or two.
The popular thought is that his trade is holding up everything else.
they want Jesse White. Armstrong has been mentioned. I won't be surprised to see him at our club with a Buddy like shock announcement.

I think what is holding things up is the allocation of compensation picks which I believe will be finalised at the end of the Free agency period, once these picks have been sorted I think there will be a flow of trades, whether of not that means Shaw to us i cant be sure (terrible pun)

 

[Punts]

well everitt lamb and Armstrong are only maybe gone

in franklin, rampe, b jack, biggs though

Yer be interesting to see what happens with them 3 guys being out of contract. Rampe is very very quick maybe even as quick as Shaw and with LRT and Johnson back in 2014 that's means Rampe will not be that 3rd tall which he struggled a bit this year due to his height which is totally understandable but he takes the game on at times and can break the lines can next year with Lrt and AJ back can Rampe be used as a Mattner , Shaw role which will suit him to a tee. If he can clean up his disposal he could be damaging ?

 

[tizzay7]

I thought lamb was close to resigning and that he was happy to be here?

 

[lock33]

Can we even pay a full list of 44 players now?

 

[Numbered Days]

Where was this said mate u would think that if he wanted to come to us he would of come out by now. Pretty sure he has not nominated a club yet still on holiday

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/he...emiership-chance/story-fnfll94y-1226734993225

Actually, looks like he didn't say that - just an article putting 2+2 together and getting 5. Sucked me in though

 

[Ed_Gein]

Thought it was interesting that he was quoted last week as saying he would take less money to go to a club that was a contender. Couldn't think of any other club that was aimed at ...

I ain't going to complain since we are a club that is definitely a contender. But i think we're starting to see a lot of decent players move to clubs in Premiership contention for less money which is more less starting to create a competition not to dissimilar to how the EPL is setup. Not necessarily to that extent because we have a salary cap, but i'm getting the feeling that perhaps the phases of bottoming out and reloading with draft picks for a shot at Premiership contention is going to become a thing of the past with how free agency is going to affect a lot of clubs struggling at the bottom.

 

[The King!]

Can we even pay a full list of 44 players now?

Yeah buddy and tippett are just paid with cola

Isnt a list 38 now?

 

[lock33]

Isnt a list 38 now?

Not sure how it all works, rookies etc Id like to see it broken down after retirees and signings so far, perhaps even with guestimates on what current player are earning. Then maybe chat about whats left.

 

[MarkP]

yeah im pretty sure he promised a decent effort in the prelim v fremantle for example and that didn't happen

He also promised me a pony.

Damn that man.

Damn him to hell!!

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Yeah buddy and tippett are just paid with cola

Isnt a list 38 now?

I thought we spent all our Cola on Tippett last year

 

[The King!]

Not sure how it all works, rookies etc Id like to see it broken down after retirees and signings so far, perhaps even with guestimates on what current player are earning. Then maybe chat about whats left.

well correct me if im wrong on the following please

2014 cap is 9.632 million
vets over 30 with 10 years at club have 120k of wage excluded from cap- goodes, okeefe, malceski and LRT next year
70k is minimum wage
54k is minimum rookie wage
half of rookie wage counts in cap
international rookies don't count in cap
ASA increases to $962 839 in 2014
COLA is 9.8% so $943936
if our list is same as last year will be 38 players and 7 rookies

 

[Numbered Days]

I ain't going to complain since we are a club that is definitely a contender. But i think we're starting to see a lot of decent players move to clubs in Premiership contention for less money which is more less starting to create a competition not to dissimilar to how the EPL is setup. Not necessarily to that extent because we have a salary cap, but i'm getting the feeling that perhaps the phases of bottoming out and reloading with draft picks for a shot at Premiership contention is going to become a thing of the past with how free agency is going to affect a lot of clubs struggling at the bottom.

I agree with you and at the moment I'm happy about it - but maybe that would be different if I supported another club.

I actually feel a bit sorry for supporters of clubs like St Kilda. They are looking like using the same plan that they had 10 years ago - load up in the draft and challenge again in 5 yrs. But, as you said, free agency and the desire to be at a club that challenges has changed everything. I can see clubs like us, Hawthorn and Geelong being around the top 4 (or at least challenging for it) for the next 10 years whilst teams who choose to be uncompetitive (even if they think it's just in the short term) will remain so.

 

[The King!]

well correct me if im wrong on the following please

2014 cap is 9.632 million
vets over 30 with 10 years at club have 120k of wage excluded from cap- goodes, okeefe, malceski and LRT next year
70k is minimum wage
54k is minimum rookie wage
half of rookie wage counts in cap
international rookies don't count in cap
ASA increases to $962 839 in 2014
COLA is 9.8% so $943936
if our list is same as last year will be 38 players and 7 rookies

Ok I was piddling round based on the above rules being true

2015 mcveigh is a vet too.



Some may seem stupid so go easy I was doing it quick and I left Armstrong to fill the list and everitt



Went with buddys figure from the age



Didn’t add cola so lets say somehow below is true we technically have 943936 more to spend



So go grab shaw or resign rohan or whoever







Lance Franklin 600,000 + ASA 100,000 = 700,000

Shane Biggs 85,000

Craig Bird 230,000

Harry Cunningham 85,000

Matthew Dick 85,000

Andrejs Everitt 100,000

Adam Goodes 500,000 (380k in cap) + 100k ASA (total for him 600k)

Heath Grundy 280,000

Daniel Hannebery 500,000

Brandon Jack 85,000

Kieran Jack 550,000 plus ASA 100,000 = 650,000

Lewis Jetta 350,000

Alex Johnson 200,000

Josh Kennedy 400,000 + ASA 107,000= 507,000

Jed Lamb 110,000

Jordan Lockyer 85,000

Nick Malceski 280,000 = counted in cap 160,000 + 100k ASA = total for him 380,000

Harrison Marsh 85,000

Ben Mcglynn 220,000

Jared Mcveigh 500,000 +ASA 100839= 600839

Tim Membrey 70000

Tom Mitchell 200,000

Tony Armstrong 120,000

Ryan Okeefe 500,000 counted in cap 380,000 + 100k asa total for him 600k

Luke Parker 420,000

Mike Pyke 250,000

Dane Rampe 90,000

Sam Reid 400,000

Ted Richards 400,000+ ASA 55,000

Lewis Roberts Thompson 280,000 counted in cap 160,000

Gary Rohan 170,000

Rhyce Shaw 300,000

Nick Smith 260,000

Kurt Tippett 880,000 + ASA 200,000 = 1,080,000

Dean Towers 70000

Draftee 1 70000

Draftee 2 70000

Draftee 3 70000



Rookies counted in cap



X Richards 27000

Jake lloyd 27000

Sam Naismith 27000

Daniel Robinson 27000

Patrick Mitchell 0

Lloyd perris 27000

New rookie 27000

 

[lock33]

Ok I was piddling round based on the above rules being true

Great work even if its rough, so how much money we got left and how many spots to fill?

 

[The King!]

Great work even if its rough, so how much money we got left and how many spots to fill?

Thats a full list with cola left to spend so almost a million to use

 

[lock33]

Thats a full list with cola left to spend so almost a million to use

So we will have to pay 3 draftees and a rookie with that million?

 

[MarkP]

Thats a full list with cola left to spend so almost a million to use

We could always get another power tall forward or two.

You can never have too many of them.

Awesome effort by the way. I can't really argue too much with any of the numbers and they seem about right which completely pisses me off no end.

 

[The King!]

So we will have to pay 3 draftees and a rookie with that million?

No

Factored them in above

But i may have rules and figures wrong

I just left cola out

 

[lock33]

No

Factored them in above

But i may have rules and figures wrong

I just left cola out

Providing anyone we draft plays for minimum wage or am I following this wrong?

 

[Kummerspeck]

Providing anyone we draft plays for minimum wage or am I following this wrong?

I think draftees you have to account for 120k for their first contract to cover any match payments.

 

[The King!]

Providing anyone we draft plays for minimum wage or am I following this wrong?

Yeah i plonked 3 draftees in at the minimum but then i can give them some
Cola

 

[The King!]

I think draftees you have to account for 120k for their first contract to cover any match payments.

As i said i found the rules in diff spots so may be wrong only one i saw was minimum wage is 70k for a listed player

 

[lock33]

As i said i found the rules in diff spots so may be wrong only one i saw was minimum wage is 70k for a listed player

Its all good just helps set the bar as far as discussion goes instead of ridiculous trade suggestions, great work Im impressed.

 

[Kummerspeck]

As i said i found the rules in diff spots so may be wrong only one i saw was minimum wage is 70k for a listed player

I think that's the minimum you pay them, but in terms of cap you apparently have to have space for 120k so if they play, you pay them. This is as per Pykie, one of the drafting wizzes. I'd back in a lot of what he says with the technicalities of the draft.

 

[The King!]

I think that's the minimum you pay them, but in terms of cap you apparently have to have space for 120k so if they play, you pay them. This is as per Pykie, one of the drafting wizzes. I'd back in a lot of what he says with the technicalities of the draft.

bugger will need to throw the rookies some brown paper bags

ohh hang on I got almost a million bucks of cola here