Review Winners and Losers - 2016 AFL National Draft

[jedi mind tricks]

I thought Brisbane should have taken Ainsworth. He is a potential gun and wanted to go there. Not many players as eager as him to play for the Lions.

 

[Unique Name]

do fremantle need that many tall defenders. you have some really good ones already in alex pearce (CHB) and sam collins (FB). add to that logue who will be an amazing player and hamling who has proven himself at the WB this year...

why is there a need to take brennan? is it just a depth selection?

Definitely have a few now (8). A Pearce, Hamling, Collins, Johnson, Dawson, Uebergang (Rookie), Logue, Cox

I think eventually A Pearce, Hamling will be our main two talls and Logue will be the third tall. All under the age of 23 so should have plenty of years ahead of them to gel. Collins and Ueber will be depth and I think Cox will be sent to Peel's forward line (Freo's media team were listing Cox as a forward).

Our Peel side next year will be very tall with all these extra defenders and us having 5 ruckman too! (Sandi, Apeness, Clarke, Griff, Darcy)

Freo will have another fairly big cull next year which will include quite a few of these talls (Griff, Johnson, Dawson, Sandi?)

 

[Topkent]

How can there be winners and losers before anyone's played a game
Stupid thread

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Wait wait wait, this is much more important than the draft, there's no way that's a real show?

I'm afraid so.

 

[doona]

How can there be winners and losers before anyone's played a game
Stupid thread

I think that you can have winners or losers at this stage. Not necessarily the best draft hall out of any clubs, Like our draftees are better than yours, but "winning" the draft with selections for clubs needs.

For example, the Swans selecting D. Cameron @ 48 (our last pick in the draft) is a massive win for the squad that we have. After losing Nankervis, who played a lot of games last year due to injuries, we needed to draft a Ruckman that had the ability to come into the AFL and play. Really at worst, Cameron will be a serviceable backup for injuries. At best, he could force his way into our team and have a great career as Rucks develop late. Not to mention he can cover in place for KPF.

ie. A club realizes weaknesses in their squad and tries to address these.

 

[Tazdog]

Winners
Gold Coast
Brisbane
Richmond
Port Adelaide

Losers
Essendon
Geelong - Rageolouet HAHA LOL

The rest we dont know yet.

you can't get the best player in the country and lose the draft...

 

[adammania9]

you can't get the best player in the country and lose the draft...

Agree. Brisbane will be happy with themselves for stealing him at 3

 

[Old navy]

Brisbane seemingly win every draft on draft day, the problem is they all leave.

Yep. They tend to take the highest rated player, without considering if that player will be happy to spend the next ten years living in Queensland.
Think Anisworth was the right pick, kid had openly said I want to play footy for this club.
McCluggage could be an absolute gun, but if he leaves in two years time it doesn't really matter.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

I think that you can have winners or losers at this stage. Not necessarily the best draft hall out of any clubs, Like our draftees are better than yours, but "winning" the draft with selections for clubs needs.

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The question with these late picks always has to be 'Why did other clubs not pick Player X' ??

Carlton took this McCreadie at Pick 48 and people on our board (and others) are claiming he's a 'steal'. But have to confess it seems a bit suss that GWS passed on him as an academy or zone player.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

ie. A club realizes weaknesses in their squad and tries to address these.

That's a pretty low bar for "winning".

If that's the standard, how is it possible to "lose"? Clubs would basically have to pass on all their picks.

 

[Old navy]

I think that you can have winners or losers at this stage. Not necessarily the best draft hall out of any clubs, Like our draftees are better than yours, but "winning" the draft with selections for clubs needs.

For example, the Swans selecting D. Cameron @ 48 (our last pick in the draft) is a massive win for the squad that we have. After losing Nankervis, who played a lot of games last year due to injuries, we needed to draft a Ruckman that had the ability to come into the AFL and play. Really at worst, Cameron will be a serviceable backup for injuries. At best, he could force his way into our team and have a great career as Rucks develop late. Not to mention he can cover in place for KPF.

ie. A club realizes weaknesses in their squad and tries to address these.

Very much spot on, can also be about what clubs did with a certain selection. Did Clubs make the right or wrong call with any given pick.
Swans nailed the draft IMO, picked very well for there needs.

 

[doona]

The question with these late picks always has to be 'Why did other clubs not pick Player X' ??

Carlton took this McCreadie at Pick 48 and people on our board (and others) are claiming he's a 'steal'. But have to confess it seems a bit suss that GWS passed on him as an academy or zone player.

GWS passed on the academy pucks I reckon mainly due to Setterfield, Perryman and Cummings bid on in the first round. (Note: Cummings end of first round priority pick).

Plus list needs after their cull. I wouldn't read to much in GWS not matching Mutch, McCreadie etc...

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[bungalow_bill]

Yep. They tend to take the highest rated player, without considering if that player will be happy to spend the next ten years living in Queensland.
Think Anisworth was the right pick, kid had openly said I want to play footy for this club.
McCluggage could be an absolute gun, but if he leaves in two years time it doesn't really matter.

Agreed but the retention thing is kind of based on one bad year (GH5) Since then we've had no major walk outs except for Aish.

 

[doona]

Very much spot on, can also be about what clubs did with a certain selection. Did Clubs make the right or wrong call with any given pick.
Swans nailed the draft IMO, picked very well for there needs.

From my perspective we nailed our draft. I am not saying we are the best, our draftees are the best but like I said we filled list needs:

D. Cameron - We needed a mature ruck, hope he develops into a good AFL player but has a role as a back up Ruckman already in our team.

W. Hayward - We lost Titch, Mcglynn, XR over the offseason and that is a lot of goals/forward pressure. Definitely a list need.

O. Florent - Our team is lacking any outside pace what's so ever. Our first pick had to address this weakness.

J. Maibaum - We have Grundy (old), Aliir & Talia (who has shown he is better at taking drugs or messenging than playing football). We need KPD depth, and this pick addresses that.

I have no idea which if any will actually come on and be quality AFL players, but our recruiting team addressed squad needs.

So in response to you saying we nailed the draft, thought I would give an opinion on the draft Hall.

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[RUNVS]

I could be wrong but I think Brisbane have done remarkably well in 3 of the last 4 drafts (2013, 2015 and 2016).

2013
Aish
Gardiner
McStay
Taylor
Cutler
Freeman

2015
Schache
Hipwood
Keays
Mathieson

2016
McCluggage
Berry
Witherden
Cox

It is not a bad list of players at all.

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

Not having seen many of the players in action I can't really judge any clubs draft but I don't understand North's draft.

Their senior list is clearly light on for midfielders yet from what I can tell they added to their hordes of flankers and kpps with this years draft picks.

Footy manager said straight after they see Simpkin as a mid in a few years, Williams is a lightning quick mid/winger. Got Ahern too, Hrovat can go through there, Clarke and Dumont both young, promising mids who should play every game next year. Reckon that's a good start, but yes, will need more next year.

Plus we are going to be throwing dentist money around to guns next year. I have no idea how we'll reach minimum cap spend.

 

[HBF]

To be fair, everyone looks good in that jumper

Can't argue with that. And the kid speaks very well also.

 

[Wouldbetackler]

you can't get the best player in the country and lose the draft...

Yeah and I'm pretty sure GWS went pretty well too

 

[Great8]

Agreed but the retention thing is kind of based on one bad year (GH5) Since then we've had no major walk outs except for Aish.

Yeah true.
The look on McCluggage's face told the tale though last night. Was not too impressed I'd say. Hopefully he gets up there and grows to enjoy it

 

[yyou]

you can't get the best player in the country and lose the draft...

They got Fyfe?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Footy manager said straight after they see Simpkin as a mid in a few years, Williams is a lightning quick mid/winger. Got Ahern too, Hrovat can go through there, Clarke and Dumont both young, promising mids who should play every game next year. Reckon that's a good start, but yes, will need more next year.

Plus we are going to be throwing dentist money around to guns next year. I have no idea how we'll reach minimum cap spend.

Adding Mitch Hibberd and mountford into that midfield. 2018 is going to be a fascinating year in terms of our midfield structures.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

From my perspective we nailed our draft. I am not saying we are the best, our draftees are the best but like I said we filled list needs:

D. Cameron - We needed a mature ruck, hope he develops into a good AFL player but has a role as a back up Ruckman already in our team.

W. Hayward - We lost Titch, Mcglynn, XR over the offseason and that is a lot of goals/forward pressure. Definitely a list need.

O. Florent - Our team is lacking any outside pace what's so ever. Our first pick had to address this weakness.

J. Maibaum - We have Grundy (old), Aliir & Talia (who has shown he is better at taking drugs or messenging than playing football). We need KPD depth, and this pick addresses that.

I have no idea which if any will actually come on and be quality AFL players, but our recruiting team addressed squad needs.

So in response to you saying we nailed the draft, thought I would give an opinion on the draft Hall.

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You guys killed it in terms of addressing list needs. I was intially annoyed to have missed on Florent, but I'm happy with Simpkin.

 

[Old navy]

Yeah true.
The look on McCluggage's face told the tale though last night. Was not too impressed I'd say. Hopefully he gets up there and grows to enjoy it

He sounded abit flat when they interviewed him, have heard he is pretty laid back kind of kid.

 

[Nick Lions]

I've seen nothing to suggest McCluggage will leave in two years. He always maintained he'd be happy to go anywhere. Plus he's been drafted with Berry, whom he played with at Vic Country and the Rebels. Would have only gone to Gold Coast had Brisbane not selected him anyway.

 

[Old navy]

From my perspective we nailed our draft. I am not saying we are the best, our draftees are the best but like I said we filled list needs:

D. Cameron - We needed a mature ruck, hope he develops into a good AFL player but has a role as a back up Ruckman already in our team.

W. Hayward - We lost Titch, Mcglynn, XR over the offseason and that is a lot of goals/forward pressure. Definitely a list need.

O. Florent - Our team is lacking any outside pace what's so ever. Our first pick had to address this weakness.

J. Maibaum - We have Grundy (old), Aliir & Talia (who has shown he is better at taking drugs or messenging than playing football). We need KPD depth, and this pick addresses that.

I have no idea which if any will actually come on and be quality AFL players, but our recruiting team addressed squad needs.

So in response to you saying we nailed the draft, thought I would give an opinion on the draft Hall.

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Yeah you guys picked really well. I wanted Hayward at pick 27, was never going to make that far.