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Over exposed AFL identities
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What are your round 6 tips, predictions, and crowd expectations?
But you were good in the 50s. Nobody is left from the era to remind anyone how good the old timers were.
So we have self promoting flogs like Lyon in the media telling everyone how good they are while people with quieter more humble personalities like Neitz, Farmer, Roberton, Green get forgotten.
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Recency bias
I'm with You On Lyon Old Mate but Check Facts.
Can tell You 100% he is not. Like Dunstall is well known for being a surly miserable prick who has a dislike for 95% of other human beings. Would not piss on you if you self combusted in front of them.
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No, just relevance
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Which fascinated me about Dunstall given he entrenches himself within the AFL industry exposed to so many people.
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How many times did Lyon play in finals in his career compared to kelly? Between 1990-2002 when Kelly played Sydney appeared in finals 5 times. Between 1986-1999 when Lyon played Melbourne appeared in finals 6 times.
Your concept of club success seems pretty overrated when people laud Kelly for being a champion in a mediocre Sydney side and you deem Lyon not to be? Lyon was Captain of Victoria, won 2x B&F awards, and was team of the century.
Lyon & Kelly both played in pretty average sides over their career. Kelly played in one GF, so did Lyon. Sydney played finals less than Melbourne during the periods in which both played.
Melbourne also has had a heap more success from a premiership perspective than Sydney / South Melbourne. I’d argue that our 12 flags compared to your 5 means that your argument of Kelly being in a team of the century is pretty weightless. So if Lyon’s accolades don’t count because of Melbourne being mediocre, then Kelly’s sure as s**t don’t.
No Players accolades should be rated on the success of The Club Including Lyon Who was a Great Player but If you are suggesting that Lyon was a better Footballer than Kelly you are deluded and should seek counselling.
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Never said he was better, just using a comparison of a guy who was really really good as well but played during a pretty unsuccessful period for a club with a pretty unsuccessful history.
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There's that old rule in show biz which for some reason is constantly ignored.
Never work with animals or Hamish.
When will they learn.
I agree with you. It is like players not being considered Champions or greats of the game because they were never premiership players. Ridiculous.
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He went to his local public school though
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‘Slow full forward, never won a flag’ is a huge stretch. And he annoys me too
How many media jobs does Kelly get?
Not seem him on tv in ages.
Who was M Roberts?
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Or A Jakovich for example, who averaged double the goals per game (3.88) as Lyon (1.88).
With Jakovich personality wise, what you see is what you get. i can respect that as much as humble personalities.
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Mark Roberts (the fridge) from North in the 90s. Also played for the bears(?). Was a handy size at 190ish and solid as f who could play as a 2nd or 3rd tall whilst Carey and/or longmire did the main damage.
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Id take Kelly on leadership and onfield impact by a moderate margin.
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Mate I am not disagreeing that Lyon is a flog on TV and I agree with you re him being one of the boys and a campaigner, just disagree with your comments re him being overrated and his accolades not counting due to playing for Melbourne.
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I actually think it’s big fish small pond with Dunstall. Same as Newman. They’re somewhat clever, probably quite clever actually, but they’d rather be the big boys and put your average dullard down in the AFL world. They’re both condescending and arrogant, and they push that to sort of extricate themselves from the masses even though they work in an industry that’s all about the masses.
They’re just not comfortable enough to get out into a different place where they’re a bit more challenged, probably because they get paid so well. Dunstall being a surly git is more of a front I’d say.
People clearly want to just bag Lyon cause he betrayed Billy.
He's one of the better media performers out there, has a brain and can express himself well. Usually on the money with his analysis.
Yes dog bloke etc etc but I don't really give a s**t when I'm tuning into the footy.
He's one of the better media performers out there, has a brain and can express himself well. Usually on the money with his analysis.
Yes dog bloke etc etc but I don't really give a s**t when I'm tuning into the footy.
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He was a good player but I don't remember him as a great of his era. In his position he wasn't top 10, arguably not top 20.
Anyway it's not that relevant because you don't need to be a star to be a media figure or coach and many ex stars are s**t at both. I don't like him because he's got a bizarre axe to grind with my team even though he's nothing to us. He's not Carey or Ablett who played against us on big finals or Clarkson/Roos who coached against us, just some flog who has his nose out of joint for whatever reason.
