Draft Review 2019 - Revisit the 2019 AFL Draft

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Nah it's dumb. The recent premiers haven't spent that much draft capital on ruckmen because the midfield and forwardline is more important. Recent premiership ruckmen include: Nankervis, Soldo, Vardy, Lycett, McEvoy, Hale, Roughead, McEvoy, Hale, Pyke, Mumford, Ottens, West and Jolly. It's a mixture of journeymen, good tap specialists and above average rucks. They're the running backs of the AFL and most premiership teams don't allocate that many resources towards drafting and paying them.
Recent ruckmen who nearly won the premiership if not for a Dom Sheed miracle kick from the boundary includes: Brodie Grundy!

Recent ruckmen who would've won a premiership and helped his team get a really high ladder position and home finals: Nic Nat.

And I'm a big NFL fan so I get the running back comparisons, but Jackson should be a runner and a receiver and there's not a team in the NFL that wouldn't have drafted Alvin Kamara in the first round with hindsight. If he Jackson can impact forward as well then he's like RB/WR/TE all in one.


Now, if Melbourne really believe he's some transcendent talent that can win them games in the midfield and forwardline, then sure, pick him. But I wouldn't worry too much on finding another ruckmen to replace Gawn given it's not the most important position on the field anyway, and you can easily trade for one of find them in free agency. Don't forget, Gawn had an amazing season, and Melbourne finished second last because they have no outside midfielders or forwards.

My problem with Pickett is that the demons need someone to run through the midfield to give them some outside pace and class, and Pickett isn't that. He may help keep the ball inside 50 once he gets there, and has some tricks, but he needs a midfield that can deliver to the forward's advantage first. It feels like Pickett is designed to fix the mistakes of forward delivery, I'd rather just select a midfielder who can deliver the ball better.
I mean it's clear Melbourne need more forward talent and pressure to create mistakes, lock it in and drive repeat entries. Do they need midfield class - absolutely, but both is true.

Comparing the Richmond grand final midfield to the Melbourne likely midfield:

Martin - Petracca ---- ok, not impossible that Petracca can be about as good as a Martin clone as anyone
Cotchin - Viney ----- Cotch still has a gear in class but most of his best work is crash and bash and defensive stuff these days
Prestia - Oliver ------ Oliver in a fit team with forward options will hit targets
Edwards - Brayshaw ---- this ones a stretch, but Edwards' best is by hands and Gus has lovely hands, just needs to use them
Ellis - Langdon ------ Landgon will scrub more kicks but the same kind of run
Caddy - Tomlinson ------ Caddy a bit more powerful but Tomlinson is a nice kick in uncontested situations
Lambert - Neal-Bullen/C Wagner/Jones/Dunkley/James Jordon/Sparrow ---- options.
And the unlikeliest of stories: Pickett - Harley Bennell?

Yes there's a gap there and yes to eventually get where they need to go Melbourne will need at least 1 more classy inside/outside mid but Dylan Stephens might've been the best one in the draft, Liam Henry second best and after him it was a long way down to the next best option.

The important thing is with a preseason the inside mids will be able to run at a far better level, it's already on display at training. Langdon is a very similar player to Ellis. Tomlinson might not be much chop but he can run with anyone on the outside.

And I reckon Prestia, Ellis, Caddy, Lambert were all labelled as turnover prone at some stage in their careers. Amazing what playing with really good team mates and good development can do. The difference in Prestia's ball use from 2017-2019 was massive. The difference between Lambert when he was drafted and now is daylight.

The other thing that Melbourne does have is 2 very good medium forward mark and kick players in Fritsch and Melksham. Richmond are all run and gun and use Castagna as a third marking forward a lot. If Melksham and Fritsch are getting the ball outside 50 and making the inside 50 kicks then Melbourne have a very good chance of scoring. Melksham's about the best in the comp at it.

So yes, I'd love a classy mid, but not getting one doesn't turn me off the draft choices. Most good teams aren't perfect. And 18 years olds were unlikely to solve all of Melbourne's issues any time soon anyway. Get 3 really good kids in and work a trade for needs next year.
 
If the Blues have a bid player in the future, Fremantle, Gold Coast and Giants won’t play nice.

Clubs aren't supposed to play nice. If anything we should've bid on green, Carlton played out the situation better than we did. The academy system is supposed to just give clubs priority over players, not get them for free.

Freo are big boys, it's unlikely they would be half as salty and entitled as some of the posters in this thread have been.
 

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No, even if the media said that does not clear up anything as they have been caught going with fabricated stories before
Believe whatever you like, at the end of the day it doesn't bother me.

If your team didn't want him.the pick swap to get ahead of you was a waste of time, I'd like to think there was a reason for it no matter how minor.
 
If the Blues have a bid player in the future, Fremantle, Gold Coast and Giants won’t play nice.

Adelaide, and North Melbourne already bid on players.

I still think it was totally unnecessary and pointless to bid on a player that won’t going to get.
They'd be entitled to act in the best interests of their footy club just as Carlton has in this instance.
 
The Lions didn't particularly rate either Cumberland or Martyn. I think they were happy to wait for Cumberland to go to the Rookie draft and leave Martyn throughout. So I don't think they'll hold a grudge against Richmond. They're probably professional enough not to hold it against Essendon either. Speaking as a fan I'm annoyed at Essendon purely because they bid right before one of our picks, but I'm really not bothered by Richmond bidding.
Like all things I guess time will tell whether it was a good move or a poor one
 
What are the people saying "Carlton traded up to get Sam De Koning" basing that on? His brother plays for the club? Lol
I know crazy isn't it... It's like people saying Carlton knew we wanted Philip and so they traded to pip us ...whats that based on... Did the tigers ring SOS and tell him? Bloody dickhead supporters and there conspiracy theories hey.. Lol
 
True...
And now we are picking up players like Prestia and Lynch..... Funny how things change... Well for us anyway

What's more interesting still, is how Cochrane didn't bat an eye-lid over Prestia going, but went the full-on MSM meltdown over O'Meara......Then how Gill doesn't do a thing to block the Lynch move, but moves heaven & earth to stop the coniglio one.....Now That's what's interesting.
 
The Lions didn't particularly rate either Cumberland or Martyn. I think they were happy to wait for Cumberland to go to the Rookie draft and leave Martyn throughout. So I don't think they'll hold a grudge against Richmond. They're probably professional enough not to hold it against Essendon either. Speaking as a fan I'm annoyed at Essendon purely because they bid right before one of our picks, but I'm really not bothered by Richmond bidding.

the cumberland draft profiles sound very promising
 

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Believe whatever you like, at the end of the day it doesn't bother me.

If your team didn't want him.the pick swap to get ahead of you was a waste of time, I'd like to think there was a reason for it no matter how minor.
I am not saying that Richmond didn’t want him. The point I was making was that we don’t really know what Richmond wanted or not.

If Richmond didn’t want him anyway then yes, it would be a wasted pick upgrade, but Carlton didn’t want to wait and see so it is understandable why they did what they did in case Richmond actually wanted him.
 
What's more interesting still, is how Cochrane didn't bat an eye-lid over Prestia going, but went the full-on MSM meltdown over O'Meara......Then how Gill doesn't do a thing to block the Lynch move, but moves heaven & earth to stop the coniglio one.....Now That's what's interesting.

stick to the jesuits man
 
I feel like clubs are scared to bid on players early for fear they’ll get screwed when they have a father son or academy player Of their own.
Blakey getting bid on at 10 or whatever it was last year was a joke much like Green this year.
 
I know crazy isn't it... It's like people saying Carlton knew we wanted Philip and so they traded to pip us ...whats that based on... Did the tigers ring SOS and tell him? Bloody dickhead supporters and there conspiracy theories hey.. Lol

I never said Richmond wanted Philp. Anyway, some media reports and Richmond choosing a similar player to Philp > A brother playing at a club.
 
Recent ruckmen who nearly won the premiership if not for a Dom Sheed miracle kick from the boundary includes: Brodie Grundy!

Recent ruckmen who would've won a premiership and helped his team get a really high ladder position and home finals: Nic Nat.

And I'm a big NFL fan so I get the running back comparisons, but Jackson should be a runner and a receiver and there's not a team in the NFL that wouldn't have drafted Alvin Kamara in the first round with hindsight. If he Jackson can impact forward as well then he's like RB/WR/TE all in one.

You're missing the point and are cherry picking because it suits your argument. Simply put, you can win a premiership fairly easily with a solid but unspectacular ruckman. You can't without elite midfield play and can't without decent forward play. Melbourne currently has neither.

This is because, in part, teams generally give up more turnovers than clearances. It's more important to create a midfield and forwardline which pressures turnovers and knows how to punish the opposition on the rebound than win clearances which don't really correspond to wins.

I mean it's clear Melbourne need more forward talent and pressure to create mistakes, lock it in and drive repeat entries. Do they need midfield class - absolutely, but both is true.

Comparing the Richmond grand final midfield to the Melbourne likely midfield:

Martin - Petracca ---- ok, not impossible that Petracca can be about as good as a Martin clone as anyone
Cotchin - Viney ----- Cotch still has a gear in class but most of his best work is crash and bash and defensive stuff these days
Prestia - Oliver ------ Oliver in a fit team with forward options will hit targets
Edwards - Brayshaw ---- this ones a stretch, but Edwards' best is by hands and Gus has lovely hands, just needs to use them
Ellis - Langdon ------ Landgon will scrub more kicks but the same kind of run
Caddy - Tomlinson ------ Caddy a bit more powerful but Tomlinson is a nice kick in uncontested situations
Lambert - Neal-Bullen/C Wagner/Jones/Dunkley/James Jordon/Sparrow ---- options.
And the unlikeliest of stories: Pickett - Harley Bennell?

Yes there's a gap there and yes to eventually get where they need to go Melbourne will need at least 1 more classy inside/outside mid but Dylan Stephens might've been the best one in the draft, Liam Henry second best and after him it was a long way down to the next best option.

The important thing is with a preseason the inside mids will be able to run at a far better level, it's already on display at training. Langdon is a very similar player to Ellis. Tomlinson might not be much chop but he can run with anyone on the outside.

And I reckon Prestia, Ellis, Caddy, Lambert were all labelled as turnover prone at some stage in their careers. Amazing what playing with really good team mates and good development can do. The difference in Prestia's ball use from 2017-2019 was massive. The difference between Lambert when he was drafted and now is daylight.

The other thing that Melbourne does have is 2 very good medium forward mark and kick players in Fritsch and Melksham. Richmond are all run and gun and use Castagna as a third marking forward a lot. If Melksham and Fritsch are getting the ball outside 50 and making the inside 50 kicks then Melbourne have a very good chance of scoring. Melksham's about the best in the comp at it.

So yes, I'd love a classy mid, but not getting one doesn't turn me off the draft choices. Most good teams aren't perfect. And 18 years olds were unlikely to solve all of Melbourne's issues any time soon anyway. Get 3 really good kids in and work a trade for needs next year.

Petracca has never been as good as Martin at any point of his career. Martin is proof that if a teenager plays well in the juniors then hits the AFL blazing, then they'll eventually reach stardom. Petracca did the former, didn't do the latter. He's never had 30 touches in a game and doesn't kick that many goals. Martin is arguably Richmond's best ever midfielder. He's one of the best forwards in the game, lethal when the ball goes to the deck, great one-on-one, very good in contested situations and has one of the fastest 50 meter balls in the competition.

As for the rest, Edwards is a much better kick than Brayshaw who is a turnover merchant by foot. Yes, he won a lot of brownlow votes in 2018, but that seems like an aberration and he was poor this year.

I'm not impressed by Tomlinson's kicking and he had a very average finals series.

As for Lambert, he's signifigantly better than any of those guys. One of the most underrated players in the game. Pushes forward, provides genuine run and is a pretty decent kick.

As for the comments about kicks, yes, Lambert's kicking has improved. But we've seen the demons midfielders for a while now and they're still not elite kicks. Prestia isn't an elite kick but he's more fitter than a while and he's still the grunt factor.

Simply put, Melbourne's midfield lacks quality disposers of the football. Richmond has at least two in Martin and Edwards. It helps also that Richmond's midfield is a more instinctive attacking outfit than Melbourne who lack the vision and creativity that's present in the tigers. Like, where's your Martin? Petracca is far away and it's noticeable how Martin just naturally knows where to go and the importance of the fast deep ball.
 
Recent ruckmen who nearly won the premiership if not for a Dom Sheed miracle kick from the boundary includes: Brodie Grundy!

Recent ruckmen who would've won a premiership and helped his team get a really high ladder position and home finals: Nic Nat.

And I'm a big NFL fan so I get the running back comparisons, but Jackson should be a runner and a receiver and there's not a team in the NFL that wouldn't have drafted Alvin Kamara in the first round with hindsight. If he Jackson can impact forward as well then he's like RB/WR/TE all in one.

On the point of ruckman though, if one of Pendlebery/Sidebottom/Treloar/Adams had the performance equivalent of Grundy in the Prelim Final though, they win that game (e.g. as seen with CMC going absolutely wild but Panthers still losing)
 
The obvious ones are the Suns and Dockers but they couldn't go wrong with 3 top 10 picks, not a big fan of the Demons 2 top 10 selections considering who they could have taken, love Trent Rivers(32) for them though, I was hoping he'd get through to us at the next selection.... I uttered some curse words and slapped the couch when the Demons called his name out.

The Magpies will be extremely happy to get Jay Rantall(40) and Trent Bianco(45) considering the selections they had, going into the night I doubt the Pies would have thought they'd be available at those selections.

Love the Swans group of Dylan Stephens(5), Will Gould(26) and Elijah Taylor(36), I know nothing about Chad Warner(39).

From a Lions perspective ecstatic that we got Deven Robertson(22), I wasn't even considering him a possibility for us on the 2nd night before night 1, glad we did the trade to make it happen, love that we matched Keidean Coleman(37), from my viewing of him in most of the NEAFL games he has elite traits, I see him as a steal at 37. Brock Smith(33) and Jaxon Prior(59) I know very little about so I have no opinion of them at the moment.
Lions list is looking amazing for under 25s

Clug
Gardiner
Andrews
Hipwood
Ah Chee
Berry
Witherden
Deven Robertson
Rayner
 

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