Science/Environment Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) - Pandemic Declared - Part 2

[Chief]

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[Fire]

So are you suggesting the Illinois Health Department chief is mistaken (or simply lying) about how covid deaths are recorded?

Are you even paying attention to the conversation we are having?

Pretty much every post I have talked about the statistical significance of those numbers. You have no produced a sherrick of data which suggests this would be anything other than a fringe factor. I never once said its not happening.

 

[Evolved1]

I bet the Italians are stoked they've saved a few million dollars on those excess ICUs. That extra few million would really bite when you're spending hundreds of billions on stimulating the economy. But no I'm sure there's no stimulatory effect that comes from increasing ICU capacity. Imagine 'wasting' a few of those billion on making sure your population has access to good healthcare. Really odd so many people waste money on their house insurance as well. Even when it's like, really quite unlikely that their house would be damaged! Classic dumb Australians

You're going off on several tangents there. If the government restricts movement and economic activity, they're obliged to provide financial aid to mitigate the effects.

The Australian response to COVID-19 has been costed at $4b per week to our economy which equates to $160 per person per week.

 

[Visions]

fu** them. Steal their manufacturing ip and make it locally and call out the CCP for throwing childlike tantrums and the request for inquiry. Would love it if one of the aust politicians said the same thing or along the lines of “Chinese government only wants everyone to how and scrape there’s no working rationally with them; fortunately the Chinese people are smarter”

Find a way to stop iron ore shipments to them for a few weeks. With Brazil currently out of action, the Chinese economy will crash and they will suddenly see the light.

 

[Mateyman]

You're going off on several tangents there. If the government restricts movement and economic activity, they're obliged to provide financial aid to mitigate the effects.

The Australian response to COVID-19 has been costed at $4b per week to our economy which equates to $160 per person per week.

Yeah what does this have to do with the cost of upgrading ICUs? That's from reduced economic activity. My point is that the upgrading of the ICUs is inconsequential compared to costs of the lockdown measures and makes a lot of sense as a contingency plan, even if it happens not to be used on this occasion. Much like insurance you will occasionally need to spend money for no return to be prepared for the other occasions when things go badly

 

[Evolved1]

Yeah what does this have to do with the cost of upgrading ICUs? That's from reduced economic activity. My point is that the upgrading of the ICUs is inconsequential compared to costs of the lockdown measures and makes a lot of sense as a contingency plan, even if it happens not to be used on this occasion. Much like insurance you will occasionally need to spend money for no return to be prepared for the other occasions when things go badly

I have no problem with that.

Targeted spending to upgrade our public health system is money well spent, even if my taxes are increased to help pay for it.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Well that’s a worry....

Sailors on sidelined aircraft carrier get coronavirus for second time

Five US sailors on an aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to the pandemic have been diagnosed with the virus for the second time, the US Navy says.

www.theage.com.au

 

[freebloke]

Well that’s a worry....

Sailors on sidelined aircraft carrier get coronavirus for second time

Five US sailors on an aircraft carrier sidelined in Guam due to the pandemic have been diagnosed with the virus for the second time, the US Navy says.

www.theage.com.au

immunity? Sounds like some people might not develop it?

 

[Seeds]

30 new cases. Highest in a month. Why arent we shutting down once again?

 

[Evolved1]

30 new cases. Highest in a month. Why arent we shutting down once again?

Somewhere along the line of idealistic thinking, our economy became relevant again.

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

30 new cases. Highest in a month. Why arent we shutting down once again?

The whole goal was to flatten the curve to allow health systems to cope.
Surely everyone acknowledges that opening things up will see a rise in cases again.
Think we can be relatively confident now in our processes around managing it.

 

[Brad Goodman]

The infrastructure to cope with increased caseload is now there, or at least bolstered. This was always the intention of the initial lockdown (which wasn't really a lockdown), no?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

30 new cases. Highest in a month. Why arent we shutting down once again?

I think they can trace most of those 30, but I think you know that.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Meanwhile Bolsonaro loses yet another Health Minister who disagrees with ease of restrictions and won’t push his chloroquine line

Brazil's health chief quits after less than a month as coronavirus caseload soars

Nelson Teich is the second health minister to resign amid the pandemic in Brazil, which has emerged as one of the world's worst coronavirus hotspots.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Marcel Proust]

Spanish flu was from Kansas

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Spanish flu was from Kansas

Swine flu was from Texas

 

[mcnulty]

The dingbat in charge of Brazil makes Trump look rational. Their daily numbers are trending toward US levels. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they are massively underestimated due to their terrible testing rates. A disaster unfolding in that country.

 

[Jello_B]

Find a way to stop iron ore shipments to them for a few weeks. With Brazil currently out of action, the Chinese economy will crash and they will suddenly see the light.

That and other material like lithium.

 

[Seeds]

I think they can trace most of those 30, but I think you know that.

With a 5-10 day lag. And even then they cant trace properly. No one knows the person they sneezed near at the supermarket.

 

[Seeds]

The whole goal was to flatten the curve to allow health systems to cope.
Surely everyone acknowledges that opening things up will see a rise in cases again.
Think we can be relatively confident now in our processes around managing it.

But ummm our process for managing it was to shut things down. That was the process.

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

But ummm our process for managing it was to shut things down. That was the process.

I’m talking about health care processes for managing more cases.
Not the process of reducing cases.

There has been a lot of work facilitating work flows for managing this condition in the community and in hospitals.

 

[Deliverance]

The dingbat in charge of Brazil makes Trump look rational. Their daily numbers are trending toward US levels. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they are massively underestimated due to their terrible testing rates. A disaster unfolding in that country.

They're just lucky the drug lords have put the favelas in some sort of lockdown.

 

[Taylor]

But ummm our process for managing it was to shut things down. That was the process.

It was to slow it down, they don't have the stones to eradicate it.

The plan is for the same number of people to get this virus but over a longer period so less die due to resource scarcity.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

 

[drd23]

If you get in close contact with a confirmed person who has it will it show up if you do a test the same day after you get in contact?

No, but you also won't be contagious to others if you are infected on that same day

 

[Ok Boomer]

I reckon the wealthy in Brazil are heading into hiding, there is going to be millions of unhappy campers there.