Opinion Brian Cook - Carlton's rebuild still has a fair way to go

[Arr0w]

I said I was speculating.

All we have is what has happened to date, you can speculate, I can speculate.

Voss has not shown to date he is a good coach, in fact the record is worse than the coach you just sacked, so forgive me if I am not as excited as you.

I just get the whole, "wasn't good in the past"

Was Goodwin considered a failed/not good enough prior to this year, Noble, Ratts, Dew

What about first time coaches.

People really over/underrate coaches compared to the quality of lists

 

[Arr0w]

Lol, have you seen what many Port supporters say about Voss coaching?

Not many have much praise.

How would supporters, externals, know the effectiveness of an assistant

 

[Fadge]

How would supporters, externals, know the effectiveness of an assistant

There was a lot of noise from Carlton supporters as to how bad John Barker was...

 

[LoungeLizard]

I just get the whole, "wasn't good in the past"

Was Goodwin considered a failed/not good enough prior to this year, Noble, Ratts, Dew

What about first time coaches.

People really over/underrate coaches compared to the quality of lists

Well if Voss proves he is a good coach, good for him, but at the moment, right at this very time, he has a worse record than the coach you just sacked.

So looking at that and the point that from what I have seen with the list, it doesn't inspire me that they will breakout next year.

 

[Arr0w]

There was a lot of noise from Carlton supporters as to how bad John Barker was...

We were discussing Voss weren't we, should we say the same about Harvey?

Strangely, while Barker was there first half of the season, we ranked 5th for clearances, from the time he left, till end of year, we ranked 15th

 

[Robertio]

There was a lot of noise from Carlton supporters as to how bad John Barker was...

All supporters have opinions mate, you say s**t just for the sake of it.

 

[Arr0w]

Well if Voss proves he is a good coach, good for him, but at the moment, right at this very time, he has a worse record than the coach you just sacked.

So looking at that and the point that from what I have seen with the list, it doesn't inspire me that they will breakout next year.

You can't compare Teague to Voss, different eras and teams.

Compare him to Teague after a full year, even then, the list/maturity is different

Like comparing Buckley from 2018 to 2020

 

[Robertio]

Well if Voss proves he is a good coach, good for him, but at the moment, right at this very time, he has a worse record than the coach you just sacked.

So looking at that and the point that from what I have seen with the list, it doesn't inspire me that they will breakout next year.

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I got no problem with your opinion mate, we'll see what happens.

 

[LoungeLizard]

You can't compare Teague to Voss, different eras and teams.

Compare him to Teague after a full year, even then, the list/maturity is different

Like comparing Buckley from 2018 to 2020

I just did, if you don't like me doing that, I couldn't give a rats.

We can compare again next year also, but for now, to me, he has a worse record than Teague.

 

[Fadge]

We were discussing Voss weren't we, should we say the same about Harvey?

Strangely, while Barker was there first half of the season, we ranked 5th for clearances, from the time he left, till end of year, we ranked 15th

All supporters have opinions mate, you say sh*t just for the sake of it.

Um, here is the specific question I answered:

How would supporters, externals, know the effectiveness of an assistant

 

[Arr0w]

I just did, if you don't like me doing that, I couldn't give a rats.

We can compare again next year also, but for now, to me, he has a worse record than Teague.

So who was a better coach, Shaw, Mallthouse or Buckley

 

[Arr0w]

Um, here is the specific question I answered:

So we have no idea, yeah

 

[Fadge]

So who was a better coach, Shaw, Mallthouse or Buckley

Oh yes. Great idea.

Let's deflect.

Again.

 

[LoungeLizard]

So who was a better coach, Shaw, Mallthouse or Buckley

Of topic again , you just can't help yourself.

Don't waste my time again.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

This is the interesting part. AFL hasn’t a history of giving failed coaches a second chance at the senior role. I’ve always thought that might be a mistake, especially if the failure comes when the coach is young. I’m curious to see how it goes

Most of the best coaches/managers in world sport have worked at multiple clubs.

Jose Mourinho has done 10+ at multiple levels for example. Was sacked from many of those gigs.

Voss will be better for his time at Brisbane. Who knows past that.

 

[Arr0w]

Oh yes. Great idea.

Let's deflect.

Again.

Not deflecting at all, you want to compare coaches of different eras, I did the same

 

[Fadge]

So we have no idea, yeah

I don't know if you do or you don't, but it didn't stop thousands of Carlton supporters telling anyone who would listen how useless John Barker was. And that was before his time in the Caretaker role.

 

[Arr0w]

Of topic again , you just can't help yourself.

Don't waste my time again.

See above, in fact not only comparing coaches from different eras, even different clubs

 

[Arr0w]

I don't know if you do or you don't, but it didn't stop thousands of Carlton supporters telling anyone who would listen how useless John Barker was. And that was before his time in the Caretaker role.

Well I didn't share that view, I guess it's similar to Harvey

 

[Fadge]

Not deflecting at all, you want to compare coaches of different eras, I did the same

Um, there's a pretty good reason why Voss' performance at Brisbane is being referenced in the context of this thread...

 

[Arr0w]

Um, there's a pretty good reason why Voss' performance at Brisbane is being referenced in the context of this thread...

So if it's being referenced it must be correct?

 

[Crusty Demon]

Wasn't Voss like the 4th choice to be head coach? Doesn't bode well really. Particularly with his track record. I can't wait for the season to start purely for the entertainment Crazy Vossy will bring!

 

[Fadge]

You want to argue now do you about what is off topic, you seem to think you are the only one who chooses.

This is my last post to you, don't bother replying, oh, you can reply, don't expect an answer, you talk crap and waste my time.

#metoo

 

[Arr0w]

You want to argue now do you about what is off topic, you seem to think you are the only one who chooses.

This is my last post to you, don't bother replying, oh, you can reply, don't expect an answer, you talk crap and waste my time.

So you get challenged, can't debate a topic then you, play the man?

Best you don't reply and allow people to discuss footy content

 

[Robertio]

Um, there's a pretty good reason why Voss' performance at Brisbane is being referenced in the context of this thread...

Give me one..