Opinion Brian Cook - Carlton's rebuild still has a fair way to go

[WalshistheGOAT]

Carlton are in no man's land and I can see Essendon winning a flag before them. Carlton's list is too top heavy with the gap between their top 6 and bottom 6 players being enormous.

Carlton also lack depth when it comes to rucks, outside midfielders and small forwards, while having an abundance of inside midfielders and back flankers along with their two key forwards.

It's ironic because I remember their 2009-13 teams being stacked with rucks, outside midfielders and small forwards while lacking depth when it came to inside midfielders and key forwards.

Essendon's list is far more balanced and while Carlton are having salary cap issues, Essendon have plenty of cap space and will have even more if Parish leaves as a free agent. I'm not confident that Essendon have enough star power to win a premiership, but you'd rather have Essendon's list deficiencies as opposed to Carlton's list deficiencies as they're far easier to fix.

In what world are quality KPPs and inside mids easier to fix than outside players and small forwards? Essendon have some great outside players but still lack in many of the most important departments, we have the key areas sorted but our outside run and class in need of a rejig, mainly due to our options being injury prone or very limited footballers. Sometimes both.

I've said I expect a list rebalance come end of year, expecting some or all of TDK, Mcgov, Fisher, Dow and maybe Kennedy to depart as a way to clear some cap, get some more picks and possibly bring in a few players in roles we lack. No real reason why that should be overly hard to achieve. Essendon in contrast need to develop some quality KPD, KPF which can take 3-4 years for them to come good and are at risk of losing Redman and Parish come end of season (which I hope both stay for their sake).

We have imo a 4-5 year window with Curnow, Mckay, Weitering, Cripps etc all being in their prime age brackets and some quality youngish players underneath them in Cerra, Walsh, Boyd, Young, Durdin etc.

I believe our list is 1-2 draft/trade windows away from contending with some good list decisions. We've got all our spine players sorted at either end of the ground and simply need to cut/reshape our list a bit. There are heaps of half forwards and small forwards out there that could be available which wouldn't cost us a lot but still be big improvements on our current options and then we probably still lack 1-2 just solid contributors with good skills and some speed to rotate through the middle and the wings.

I don't think that's really too grim a prospect to have.


Cutting/trading someone like Dow or Fisher and having a swing at an Alex Neal-Bullen as a FA on the same 4-500k contract would instantly make us more balanced team without really costing us anything. If TDK is to go to Geelong we could try and get Brad Close back in a trade by including a pick too or something along those lines.

We don't need to bring in a big fish on a big contract anymore, just shift and shuffle some ordinary players on inflated contracts for some players who will actually benefit the team in positions of need.

(Edited - Just saw ANB re signed for another 3 years with the Dees but point remains the same)

 

[Black Haze]

Interesting that Carlton's CEO says they're still in a rebuild while other Carlton people expect them to be contending.

In my opinion they're somewhere in between rebuilding and contending.

 

[Spirit Level]

Interesting that Carlton's CEO says they're still in a rebuild while other Carlton people expect them to be contending.

In my opinion they're somewhere in between rebuilding and contending.

So no man's land?

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Dylan Shiel is a significantly better player than Charlie Curnow

I still can’t believe this was ever said.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I still can’t believe this was ever said.

 

[Worm4]

Carlton are in no man's land and I can see Essendon winning a flag before them. Carlton's list is too top heavy with the gap between their top 6 and bottom 6 players being enormous.

Carlton also lack depth when it comes to rucks, outside midfielders and small forwards, while having an abundance of inside midfielders and back flankers along with their two key forwards.

Essendon's list is far more balanced and while Carlton are having salary cap issues, Essendon have plenty of cap space and will have even more if Parish leaves as a free agent. I'm not confident that Essendon have enough star power to win a premiership, but you'd rather have Essendon's list deficiencies as opposed to Carlton's list deficiencies as they're far easier to fix

Lol. Great crystal ball

 

[Arr0w]

I still can’t believe this was ever said.

The whole post was truly bizarre

 

[Taper]

I still can’t believe this was ever said.

I wish we had Charlie Curnow.
Seriously. He's my favourite non Geelong player.
I played against Ed in juniors too.

 

[Yoda_]

I still can’t believe this was ever said.

at least put the whole quote in



And I stand by the fact that Curnow as of January 8, 2022 (when this statement was made) was a moments player who had showed very fleeting glimpses of brilliance.

ITs easy to be a dick on this forum when you pick and choose an argument like you have. I'll happily put my hand up and congratulate Charlie for turning around his injury riddled career into the hulking player he is now.

Well done

 

[Juddernaut08]

If we are using injured best 22 players who missed large chunks of football last year then Dylan Shiel is a significantly better player than Charlie Curnow when at his best whilst Hurley out kinda cancels out Docherty.

I don't get this he did it against your mob so they're s**t analysis you and your supporters constantly use.

I don't see how "both sides are at a similar level list wise" when we played finals (forgive the result versus the Dogs, we overachieved by getting there) whilst Carlton finished 3 games (8 points and -20.6% behind 8th placed Essendon).

wut

 

[Yoda_]

at least put the whole quote in



And I stand by the fact that Curnow as of January 8, 2022 (when this statement was made) was a moments player who had showed very fleeting glimpses of brilliance.

ITs easy to be a dick on this forum when you pick and choose an argument like you have. I'll happily put my hand up and congratulate Charlie for turning around his injury riddled career into the hulking player he is now.

Well done

see response below

at least put the whole quote in



And I stand by the fact that Curnow as of January 8, 2022 (when this statement was made) was a moments player who had showed very fleeting glimpses of brilliance.

ITs easy to be a dick on this forum when you pick and choose an argument like you have. I'll happily put my hand up and congratulate Charlie for turning around his injury riddled career into the hulking player he is now.

Well done

 

[Arr0w]

at least put the whole quote in



And I stand by the fact that Curnow as of January 8, 2022 (when this statement was made) was a moments player who had showed very fleeting glimpses of brilliance.

ITs easy to be a dick on this forum when you pick and choose an argument like you have. I'll happily put my hand up and congratulate Charlie for turning around his injury riddled career into the hulking player he is now.

Well done

Your content prior to 2022 and mid way through this year has been interesting to say the least

Analysis in the moment

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

at least put the whole quote in



And I stand by the fact that Curnow as of January 8, 2022 (when this statement was made) was a moments player who had showed very fleeting glimpses of brilliance.

ITs easy to be a dick on this forum when you pick and choose an argument like you have. I'll happily put my hand up and congratulate Charlie for turning around his injury riddled career into the hulking player he is now.

Well done

Not just better, significantly better. And you doubled down.

It was a blunder.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Not just better, significantly better. And you doubled down.

It was a blunder.

not just a blunder, a significant blunder

charlies ceiling has always been insanely high. to suggest that at their best shiel is even close is foolish. to say shiel is significantly better is pure blindness

 

[RPCB]

at least put the whole quote in

He/she was doing you a favour by not putting in the whole quote. Take that as a win.

 

[Yoda_]

Not just better, significantly better. And you doubled down.

It was a blunder.

When the whole quote was quoted it was accurate at time of writing

can play your own fiddle how you want but fact was it was true

 

[Yoda_]

He/she was doing you a favour by not putting in the whole quote. Take that as a win.

nuh, was a direct crack at a statement from circa 18 months ago who is phishing for likes despite the original statement being somewhat correct despite the idiocy of the bump

 

[Arr0w]

When the whole quote was quoted it was accurate at time of writing

can play your own fiddle how you want but fact was it was true

Because you based it on an AA

It's like saying premiership player Jacob Townsend is a better player than Merrett

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

When the whole quote was quoted it was accurate at time of writing

can play your own fiddle how you want but fact was it was true

Never has Shiel’s best been better than Charlie’s best. Ever. Ridiculous then and ridiculous now.

 

[Taper]

Are Carlton still in a rebuild?
I know Cook said they were 18 months ago but what about now? Is the rebuild finished?

 

[Arr0w]

Are Carlton still in a rebuild?
I know Cook said they were 18 months ago but what about now? Is the rebuild finished?

Rebuild has been finished for a while, just need to continue to improve/manage the list like most clubs that have entered prime years

 

[Thrawn]

Carlton are in no man's land and I can see Essendon winning a flag before them. Carlton's list is too top heavy with the gap between their top 6 and bottom 6 players being enormous.

Carlton also lack depth when it comes to rucks, outside midfielders and small forwards, while having an abundance of inside midfielders and back flankers along with their two key forwards.

It's ironic because I remember their 2009-13 teams being stacked with rucks, outside midfielders and small forwards while lacking depth when it came to inside midfielders and key forwards.

Essendon's list is far more balanced and while Carlton are having salary cap issues, Essendon have plenty of cap space and will have even more if Parish leaves as a free agent. I'm not confident that Essendon have enough star power to win a premiership, but you'd rather have Essendon's list deficiencies as opposed to Carlton's list deficiencies as they're far easier to fix.

Essendon LOL

 

[Taper]

Rebuild has been finished for a while, just need to continue to improve/manage the list like most clubs that have entered prime years

Anyone who follows us will testament to the quality of Brian Cook, as will West Coast supporters.
Potential sliding doors moment for both ourselves and Carlton is 2021 after we got thrashed in the preliminary final by Melbourne.
Brian Cook left us and became CEO at Carlton, while Chris Scott was a good chance of resigning as our coach and going to Carlton with Cook.
Scott is on record saying he would have resigned had the players told him they felt a fresh voice was needed, but the players backed him in and he stayed.