If you're familiar with his posting history you'd realise he wasn't...He was emphasizing the cherry-picking in the post he replied to
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If you're familiar with his posting history you'd realise he wasn't...He was emphasizing the cherry-picking in the post he replied to
More people die in car crashes whilst wearing a seatbelt than those who don't, therefore seatbelts are useless. That's his point.You say people are struggling with maths yet you offer no mathematical reply ?
So with 33 of 36 deaths yesterday in NSW being vaccinated wouldn't they have been on ventilatiors?Vax is a personal decision. I know of one person only who opted not to get the jab. What I do know the data is that is those on ventilation are mostly unvaxxed or with very significant comorbidities.
I'm not having a go about his straw man just his claim of peoples terrible maths without providing any of his own .More people die in car crashes whilst wearing a seatbelt than those who don't, therefore seatbelts are useless. That's his point.
You have to account for the fact that 93.8% of NSW over the age of 16 is vaccinated. There's about 6.7 million people over 16, so 6.25 million are vaxxed and 0.45 million are not.
Therefore the chances of dying are:
11 Jan:
Vaxxed: 1 in 695k
Unvaxxed: 1 in 225k
12 Jan:
Vaxxed: 1 in 480k
Unvaxxed: 1 in 55k
13 Jan:
Vaxxed: 1 in 445k
Unvaxxed: 1 in 55k
14 Jan:
Vaxxed: 1 in 330k
Unvaxxed: 1 in 45k
15 Jan:
Vaxxed: 1 in 390k
Unvaxxed: 1 in 115k
16 Jan:
Vaxxed: 1 in 445k
Unvaxxed: 1 in 75k
My main takeaway from this is that if you're a man you should go out and catch Covid because it will add 4 years to your life.This is from the article posted by amazingjoshy just before
The median age of COVID deaths is 82; Australia’s median age of all deaths in 2019 was 78 for males and 84 for females
Yeah, it's always a 'strawman' when you either disagree with it, or simply can't understand the point.I'm not having a go about his straw man just his claim of peoples terrible maths without providing any of his own .
Sure if he wants to go down the comparing vax rate vs the death rate vax/unvax is perfectly fine but provide the data , do the maths and lay it out for us all .
The best indicator that they don't advertise because it goes against the narrative is age of the people dying .
This is from the article posted by amazingjoshy just before
The median age of COVID deaths is 82; Australia’s median age of all deaths in 2019 was 78 for males and 84 for females
When 50% of deaths are vaccinated from a population 90% vaccinated that means it's better to be vaccinated . Out of 1000 people 10 die for example that is 5% death rate for unvaccinated vs 0.55% of vaccinated people died . Approximately 10 times better off to be vaccinated.You say people are struggling with maths yet you offer no mathematical reply ?
It's almost like all of the interventions put in place by governments on the back of advice from doctors and scientists helped to stop this from happening. Stay at home, social distancing, masks, oh yes and the vaccine. But because they aren't 100% people want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.What do you mean Hollywood Style bodies piling up on the streets ?
New York had morgues full and freezer trucks brought in to cope with the deaths , they also had back hoes digging up an island there to bury the dead . That wasn't vaxine companies . There was no vaxine early 2020 .
Double Whopper? That's just ****ing reckless.My main takeaway from this is that if you're a man you should go out and catch Covid because it will add 4 years to your life.
Speaking of takeaways, I am now booster'd and ultimate double whopper'd. Open the border now IDGAF.
Well the other poster has been saying that these vaccines claimed 90-95% Stopping transmission. Then the goalposts were moved to stopping serious illness .Not sure your definition of a strawman is accurate, but anyway. From another forum:
And yes age is a factor. No one has ever claimed otherwise, not sure what narrative you're referring to there.
I don't believe that is what he has been arguing. I think he is arguing the ever moving goalposts of the phama companies with their data on the vaccine. The same data every country used to grant emergency useYeah, it's always a 'strawman' when you either disagree with it, or simply can't understand the point.
The point is clear, if nearly everyone is fully vaccinated then of course the death rate amongst those will rise to match unvaccinated.
It's simple math.
The vaccines were 90-95% effective at preventing transmission. Over time it was discovered that the effectiveness wanes, and also, Omicron came along, reducing that effectiveness further. It's not that the data is FOS.Well the other poster has been saying that these vaccines claimed 90-95% Stopping transmission. Then the goalposts were moved to stopping serious illness .
He then pointed out 33-36 deaths were vaxxed so his argument has always been from what I can see is the pharmaceutical companies data is full of sh*t .
Strawman
A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.Wikipedia
You seem to be arguing something different from what he is .
As for age it really is a massive factor the median age of a covid death in Australia is 82
What about MacDonald's vs HJs double beef with bacon and cheese after the 3rd booster ?Ultimate Double Whopper. The bacon protects the body from the elements of the vaccine that are immune to beef & cheese.
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They fail common sense. Very gullable to the odd conspiracy theory.I think antivaxxers failed math .
There is no comparison, as I'm a staunch anti-MaccaserWhat about MacDonald's vs HJs double beef with bacon and cheese after the 3rd booster ?
I agree the data shows that vaccines work with about a 3-6 month period at stopping serious illness .The vaccines were 90-95% effective at preventing transmission. Over time it was discovered that the effectiveness wanes, and also, Omicron came along, reducing that effectiveness further. It's not that the data is FOS.
To the world's eternal fortune, it was also discovered that the vaccines remain largely effective at preventing severe illness and death.
One individual day (data point) where deaths skew highly towards the vaccinated is not cause for alarm. If the data continues to show, day after day, week after week, that the proportion of vaccinated people dying is at the same rate as the proportion of the populace who is vaccinated, then we have something to be worried about.
Makes me wonder if the "GOALPOSTS KEEP SHIFTING" crew have even heard of evolution and mutations.The vaccines were 90-95% effective at preventing transmission. Over time it was discovered that the effectiveness wanes, and also, Omicron came along, reducing that effectiveness further. It's not that the data is FOS.
To the world's eternal fortune, it was also discovered that the vaccines remain largely effective at preventing severe illness and death.
One individual day (data point) where deaths skew highly towards the vaccinated is not cause for alarm. If the data continues to show, day after day, week after week, that the proportion of vaccinated people dying is at the same rate as the proportion of the populace who is vaccinated, then we have something to be worried about.
I'm sure that the majority of people who are resistant to this believe in creationism FYI.Makes me wonder if the "GOALPOSTS KEEP SHIFTING" crew have even heard of evolution and mutations.